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savage8190

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Hi all. After posting asking about upgrades I think I have determined that I would just be better off with a new build (old one going to the kids). It has been almost 5 years since I've looked at any parts so I'm in need of some advice.

Approximate Purchase Date: Between now and the end of the year

Budget Range: Variable...up to around 2000 CDN...maybe a little more if Im being realistic. Less would be better.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Completely new build

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Probably NCIX

Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU, nVidia GPU, Asus anything

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 144hz

Additional Comments: Was thinking of something like this: http://

Not sure if thats overkill if Im not OC'ing?

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My last build is about 5 years old. Cant run newer games...needs CPU, GPU, MOBO, RAM so may as well do a new build.
 
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One thing to think about though. According to PCWorld, me Intel CPUs will require a new board

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3213387/computers/facepalm-intels-upcoming-coffee-lake-cpus-wont-work-with-todays-motherboards.html

So you get that i7 it will do great nobody disputes that. Let's say 2019 rolls around and you are dreaming of a shiny new CPU. I7, tough luck.

AMD says they will support am4 until 2020. So say now 2019, it stands to reason you'll have a good chance of being able to drop a new cpu in your existing board and you're good a couple more years or so. Intel, they'll probably have something else out by that time, again requiring a new board yet again.

Your money, there's not really a wrong choice. Myself, I...
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Corsair carbide case-64.99
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/104948/?promo_id=1744

AMD Ryzen 1700 8 core-419.99
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/139479/?promo_id=1536

Gigabyte x370 board-184.99
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/140792

16gb gskill ripjaws ddr4 3000-196.99
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/116132/?promo_id=1201

2tb hard drive Seagate-87.99
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/134130/?promo_id=1744

256gb Samsung Evo m.2 ssd-169.99
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/137466/?promo_id=1804

Corsair cx650m psu-92.98
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/125719/?promo_id=1744

Nvidia GTX 1070 8gb by MSI-589.99
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/132871/?promo_id=1744

Windows 10 home edition-146.98
https://m.ncix.com/products/sku/110838

Not an Intel build but was able to fit in a nice graphics card by Nvidia. Tried finding an Asus board but didn't find one for the setup I was looking at. That being said, the gtx 1070 may be overkill for 1080p. But I did get you an SSD for a boot drive, and 2tb to store other things on.

Plus you have the ryzen 7 1700 8 core which should multitask great as well as game, and has the ability to overclock if you ever decide you would like to.

Other guys will have suggestions, but I don't recommend an Intel build because you are talking more money for similar performance, as well as with their coffee lake CPUs coming out soon, the rumor is that you'll need a different board, and that even their i7 will be 6 core 12 threads. This and is 8 core 16 threads, if you are gaming and doing other things at once, the AMD should have an advantage especially as games get more multithreaded.
 
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Ya I was reading about the coffee lake CPUs yesterday...seems that may be worth waiting for. Now it's got me thinking about maybe doing the upgrade route...GPU now, maybe a second SSD for some games, and then next year do the Mobo/CPU/RAM.

I'm also thinking of maybe getting a 1080...the price difference between the 1070 and 1080 is only about 170 bucks...factor in the free copy of Destiny 2 with the 1080 (which I was gonna buy anyway) and it's a 90 dollar difference. I know it's a bit overkill...but maybe worth it?
 
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Just thinking for future proofing. Would probably get a little more length out of a 1080, and if they drop the price on the 1440p g-sync monitors at some point I would jump on one....just refuse to consider them with the ridiculous prices right now.
 
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Ha. Friend of mine built a Ryzen 1700x system similar to the one I specced you above. He loves it. But went wild and bought a gtx 1080ti. Keep in mind, massive overkill considering he only games at 1080p. And he just bought a different monitor too. A 1080p Samsung LED.

He is a truck driver, but was a computer tech. He still does work on the side and is probably one of the few people I'd trust with my system. I'm a tech myself. But yeah, he seems to believe in massive overkill for pc parts lol. I think he dropped 800 on the card as I went to microcenter with him the night he picked it up. Got me out of the house to have something to do.

Too bad you all don't have microcenter up there. If I have cash and want to get something, I can get on their website, have them pull it for me to pickup, and it will be waiting for me when I get there.
 
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I would buy the Cryorig H7 instead with a second identical fan.

 
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It's simply better. It offers a little better cooling and its clearance for RAM is better. The 212 did have a good few years and is still a good cooling solution for some situation. FOr the OP I believe the Cryorig is certainly a better choice because the 7700K is known to be a hotter chip and needs that slight edge.


http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2768727/cryorig-hyper-212-evo-killer.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3360554/7700k-hyper-212-evo.html



 
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Ok sweet, I'll check it out.

I just ran my plans by the wife and she's cool with it. I just ordered the Gigabyte Aorus Extreme 1080 and a 500gb SSD to put in my existing build. Im returning the 144hz monitor I just got for the time being and I'll go back to my 27" 1080P 76HZ Asus for awhile. Once the next gen Intel chips drop I'll upgrade the Mobo, CPU, RAM, and the cooler (Im currently using the EVO 212). THEN I will look at a 1440p G-Sync. It'll be a year long upgrade lol.
 
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Kind of how I'm doing with Ryzen. Started with a new cpu board and ram, returned those and upgraded to the 1600 and better board. Reusing old case, PSU and my trusty Radeon 7950. Then just got a me to me 24 inch monitor.

This weekend I'll probably pick up an ssd. After that, maybe a cooler, possibly may stay with sick though. Then start saving for a new GPU.
 
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Ugh...is there a way to UN-downvote that last post? My phone was having a moment lol.

I'm seriously tempted by AND this time around...never have been before. Ryzen looks great, the GPU's good, and the monitors with freesync are WAY more reasonable. I've just had so much AND hardware junk out on me...I haven't had a single broken component or major issue since I switched to Intel/nVidia for my last couple builds. (Knock on wood) Now I find it very hard to switch back.
 
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The 7700K is a 4 core and 8 thread CPU. It handles multi-tasking like a BOSS!!! It is also bleeping good with productivity work.

The 1700(x) on the other hand is a productivity BOSS! It handles things like streaming, video editing(sony vegas, rendering, PS programs like Lightroom and other heavily threaded programs

Should the OP have posted productivity tasks within his post I may have suggested that uif those tasks were the priority.

Games and surfing and other day to day tasks like movies will be handled by the 7700K without issue.


In 2 or 3 years I will probably change my tune as games become friendly with a higher core count. Today, I can't.
 
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One thing to think about though. According to PCWorld, me Intel CPUs will require a new board

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3213387/computers/facepalm-intels-upcoming-coffee-lake-cpus-wont-work-with-todays-motherboards.html

So you get that i7 it will do great nobody disputes that. Let's say 2019 rolls around and you are dreaming of a shiny new CPU. I7, tough luck.

AMD says they will support am4 until 2020. So say now 2019, it stands to reason you'll have a good chance of being able to drop a new cpu in your existing board and you're good a couple more years or so. Intel, they'll probably have something else out by that time, again requiring a new board yet again.

Your money, there's not really a wrong choice. Myself, I know I only get so much of a budget, I've been using AMD since the days of the AMD k6(200mhz) if anyone remembers those. But I've always had good luck with them, and they are usually, in my opinion, a better value. I will admit, I was tempted by the blue team this go around. Took a look at the i3 7350k online. But I got to microcenter, not meaning to buy a big setup. I walked out with a Ryzen 1200, 8gb of RAM and an a320 board.

I was out of pc gaming for a while. But that let me dip my toes back in. I previously had an fx 6300 overclocked. The 1200 was enough of a bump though, I got a little more money and returned the 1200 and board within the 15 day return window, and got the Ryzen 5 1600 and b350 board. I'll stick here for a while. But it's nice knowing when Ryzen 2 or 3 comes out, I can update the bios, and drop in a faster chip.

Good luck with Intel about doing that.
 
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Thats a pretty cool feature; I wasnt aware of that. Thing is, I expect this chip to last me a good 4-5 years like my last one...that means I MIGHT get one upgrade in with the AMD chip without upgrading the board. I do hate that I have to buy a new board every time though...I dont have to make up my mind yet. Im going to compare and consider both once they are both available.

Thanks for the insight!
 
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