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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.43 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($67.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case ($25.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - BV 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($12.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Directron)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $741.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-27 20:24 EDT-0400

If you're willing to spend the whole $750 this would perform much much better.

The stock cooler is better than the cooler you picked.

16gb of ram can definitely help and ryzen loves fast ram

A b350 board will allow you to overclock your CPU if you want to and actually run fast ram

The 1050ti is a good bit better than a 750ti

I'd go for a 1050Ti, the 750Ti is based on older Maxwell technology which is less power efficient and not as powerful.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1300X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($128.48 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($67.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Windforce OC Video Card ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Case: DIYPC - Solar-M1-R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Directron)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ B&H)
Total: $669.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-27 20:29 EDT-0400

I don't see ryzen as a gaming solution

+$26 for a 7600k and +$56 for a MSI Z270 SLI Plus MoBo gets you 15% average increase in gaming in TPUs 16 game test suite (21% in anadtech's) and gets you in < $750.

That's a 15% increase for a 12% increase in price ... IOW, a "win".

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600/21.html

Gaming frame rates lower than competing Intel chips
Higher power draw than Intel CPUs
Memory frequency options and memory compatibility limited
Setup complicated (memory, HPET, CCX, SMT, and power profile)
Boost frequency significantly lower than on Ryzen 5 1600X
Requires optimized apps of which there are not many
Lacks integrated graphics

Click to expand...

Game / Ryzen 1600 FPS / 7600k FPS

BF1 / 173.80 / 222.10
Civilization VI / 79.50 / 57.30
DeusEx Mankind Divided / 96.60 / 123.60
Dishonored 2 / 86.90 / 97.50
Doom / 195.40 / 197.60
Fallout 4 / 62.30 / 82.50
Far Cry Primal / 95.80 / 128.00
Hitman / 79.90 / 95.70
Resident Evil 7 / 269.30 / 273.20
RotR / 122.70 / 204.00
Sniper Elite 4 / 151.30 / 182.60
Styx: Shards of Darkness / 210.30 / 233.60
Total War: Warhammer / 68.10 / 87.80
Watch Dogs 2 / 101.70 / 86.70
Witcher 3 / 129.00 / 139.30
TOTAL / 1922.60 / 2211.50


2. What makes it a bigger win is that the selected MoBo has the lowest of the low budget options for audio and LAN chipsets, whereas, in addition to 15% more fps gets you the highest available Sound options available and a much improved LAN.

3. Never install memory 1 stick in a dual channel board.... 2 x 8GB preferred, 2 x 4GB in a pinch ...and I think you will find that anything up to 3200 is the same price just about

4. Superb choice on the HD

5. You'd see significant benefits from a 1050, not so much of a boost in performance per dollar going to the Ti or, if budget can be stretched 1060 3G. If living with the IGP is an option for a while, I'd strongly consider it while saving up an extra $75 or so

This is how you spot an undercover Intel employee doing damage control.

-Links outdated benchmarks

-Blatantly lying about power consumption

-Comparing arbitrary specs like boost clock, when it's a 12 Thread CPU vs a 4 Thread

-Mentions a lack of an IGP, when the OP is buying a card

-Implying that either CPU will be strained with a 1050/1050Ti at all

He does make a valid point on the RAM though, don't cheap out on it. Get 2 sticks at a decent frequency, Ryzen eats RAM speed up.

None of those stats hold true with a 1050ti as the gpu... You also forgot to add in $35 as a minimum for the CPU cooler. So you'd actually recommend spending $100 extra on a $750 build to go from a 1600 to a 7600k? I didn't think so

Igpu is as far as I ever knew, a non-issue. If there isn't one in the cpu, there's one on the mobo.

It's an i5. Good luck with anything requiring more than 4 threads. The Ryzen cpus hold equivalent IPC to Intel Haswell, so realistically they are fine for low-mid budget gamers.

That 12% increase in price doesn't include the rest of the stuff needed like a cpu cooler.

What many fail to grasp, is that all this will be on a 60Hz monitor, so 15-20% top end fps are absolutely meaningless. You get 60, thats it, maybe less but definitely not more. 100 or 120 fps = no difference, you get 60.

Better audio? On headphones or cheap pc speakers? A joke. Better lan? Maybe a bonus.

Personally, I'd rather have the Ryzen adaptability to any game than Intel tailored to certain games.

You can go with Intel, but I can't recommend that at all right now. Coffee lake is coming out and will probably require a new board. No sense getting into a dead platform if just building.

More cores are the way to go. Even Intel knows it. Otherwise why is there coffee lake in response to ryzen? Whereas if you go ryzen, even the 1200, in a couple years when you are upgrading, drop in a better CPU and roll on.

1. Work on reading comprehension... and don't shoot the messenger, those are all published test results.

2. You complain about published benchmarks but offer none to support your position.

3. Outdated... May 16 and July 27 are outdated ? What's changed since ? References please.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_3_1300X/21.html

4. I posted results from 2 respected test sites and drew a logical conclusion (13 wins / 2 losses - 15% more fps ... 6 wins / 2 losses - 21% more fps) from the results.... where's the lie ? If ya wanna complain, argue with the web sites universally posting the same results.

Techpowerup - " Gaming frame rates lower than competing Intel chips"
Anandtech - 21% advantage 7600k
Guru3D - "At launch the biggest discussion at Ryzen's launch was 1080p gaming performance. This problem is still here"
Tomshardware - "An overclocked 1600 can't quite reach the performance of a tuned Core i5-7600K"
Tweaktown - Recommends Ryzen when system powering hi resolutions as CPU performance won't matter since system will be GPU bound
Hardware Secrets - 9 wins / 2 losses http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/ryzen-5-1600-cpu-by-amd-review/7/
ArsTechnica - "Why does a 4C/8T Kaby Lake chip maintain such a sizeable lead over a 8C/16T Ryzen chip in games? Or why, with only a quick tweak of an XMP setting or a multiplier field, does Kaby Lake comfortably run at 4.8GHz without any need for a voltage tweak, when Ryzen is unstable at anything above 4.1GHz without some serious cooling and overclocking chops?"

5. Again on the reading comprehension, mentioned nothing about performance being strained:

said user will see significant performance boost going to 1050
said moving to 1050 Ti will have less of an impact
recommended holding off and saving for a 1060

And by the way, not employed in the PC Field ... own a consulting engineering business

All of those tests are run with a 1080, even with a 1060 99% of the time the gpu will be the bottleneck with a 7600k or a 1060, all in platform costs are around $100 more at minimum for the 7600k which means the 1060 is way out of reach with it.

1. Check the build, OP already has a CPU cooler

2. Yes absolutely would recommend spending $82 for:

-Getting away for Realtek ALC887 (lowest of the low budget options) and getting a sound system worthy of gaming (ALC 1220)
-Getting away from Realtek 8111GR and getting Intel I219-V
-Getting better gaming performance
-Getting higher memory speed support and 4 slots for potential future upgrades
-H U G E advantage in overclocking
-More SATA and M.2 slots
-Getting 6 USB 3.1 ports versus 0
-Getting 6 4-pin fan / pump headers versus 2
-Avoiding all the 6 other issues listed in TPU review previous post

You won't get better anything performance if you get a 1060 in the ryzen Build and a 1050ti in the 7600k build the price difference between the 7600k and 1600 builds is greater than the price difference between a 1050ti and a 1060 3gb. Even as big a fan as you are you can't sit here and say that the 1600 with a 1060 will EVER lose to a 7600k with a 1050ti

It is always to be assumed that a budget build will be improved on time. No SSD in the build, but like;ly will be when monies available.... same with a better video card. The 1050 Ti is a bit weak on performance per dollar which is why I recommended saving for a 1060 where the bottleneck will be removed. And again, there was a CPU cooler in the build.

A 1060 will still bottleneck a 1600 and a 7600k in nearly every title, the ones where it won't both will be getting 120fps and who cares.

1. Point being if there's an IGP, then one can hold off a while until monies available.

2. Don't need luck with more than 4 threads on what was stated to be a "Budget gaming PC". I have yet to test a game that does deliver more fps with more than 3 threads. Had this been a "budget rendering PC", would have had a different answer.

3. Again, there is a CPU cooler in the OPs build

4. I have 3 boys all of which saved up for and built their own systems, 2 - 4 times so far. They gave up better peripherals to get the initial builds done always springing for a mid range MoBo and overclockable processor, no skimping on RAM ... that put them "in the game" using hand me down peripherals. Over time they upgraded monitors , KBs / Mice, speakers, etc as birthdays and Xmas' passed and they earned money doing neighborhood chores and later, jobs. "Settling" for something means that improving your situation later is costly as it requires tossing something away that you already paid for which is counterproductive.

5. I have no indication of the monitor's refresh rate nor that a monitor upgrade isn't a potential upgrade down the line. And the 1060 doesn't break 60 fps in about a third of the games in the test suite ... the 1050 does as poorly as 19 fps, many at 30-40 and just 1 that breaks 60... so "not applicable"

I think the biggest indication of a "non threat" to Intel has been CPU pricing. The 1600 dropped in mid may when newgg's price was fir the 7600k was $215; in mid July it popped up to $240. Doesn't seem like Intel feels threatened by the 1600

I wouldn't spend extra for 7600k. Here's why.

1. Games are going to go more multithreaded at some point. Xbox one and PS4 already use 8 core cpus. Stands to reason that when they port they may wish to utilize extra cores on pc as well.

2. Underscoring point above, Coffee lake is releasing soon. Things I've seen indicate they may require new boards. In other words, if that article is true, Kaby is a dead end.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3217673/computers/intel-images-confirm-6-core-core-i7-desktop-processors-new-motherboard-requirement.html

3. According to the article above, rumor is that i3 will even be quad core. Sounds to me like spending extra for an i5 now which in a few months will only be about as good as an entry level i3.

4. Again, linking to same article, it's clear intel even sees the writing on the wall concerning what I said about multithreaded games and apps. They state that i3 is rumored to go to 4 cores, i5 to 6 cores, i7 to 6 cores hyperthreaded. If intel even sees it, why would one doubt it?

5. 7600k vs 1600. Biggest difference. 7600k today will beat 1600 by about 10-15% give or take on SINGLE threaded apps/games. However, if games start going multithreaded in the next year or so, the tables turn. The Ryzen 1600 is about as fast single threaded as haswell. Put it up against that 7600k in multithreaded apps or multithreaded games, and that 7600k is going to be taken to the woodshed.

If op is open to overclocking, here's a review that sums it up well imo.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-ryzen-5-1600-1600x-vs-core-i5-7500k-review

Just my opinion here, but the 7600k is a fine chip. No question. But when you look at value for money, if you are already over 100fps in a lot of titles, plus considering he's going to use a 1050ti anyway, number one, the 1600 overall is only an average of say 10% behind in fps. But the op is more than likely playing on a 60hz screen(I do), and he won't see the difference.

As games and apps go towards multithread in the next couple of years, the 7600k is going to show it's age more quickly. In a few months, you might as well call it an i3 when Coffee lake drops. If you wish to see about multithread apps/games, here's a youtube video about Battlefield 1 and multicore cpus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y98WlzuG9fw

If you look at the video at 13:50(13 minutes 50 seconds in), he puts up a graph. In that, they show a 6 core should average about 120 fps, and 4 core about 95. If this becomes the trend, yes 7600k will do good for a while, but will age faster imo, and you've paid more for a dead end platform. Whereas you get a ryzen box, if AMD holds true to their promise to support it until 2020, which I think they will, needing to gain market share and good will, as well as they seem to do better at this than intel imo, then in say 2019 you want a new cpu, easy. Drop a new chip into the board, done.

If op wants a little more expandability on the board, here's one for not much more

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWL7YJ/asrock-ab350m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m-pro4

Gives the 4 ram slots, actually same board I'm running. Have my 1600 at 3.7ghz on stock cooling. And I haven't even tweaked things a lot yet.

Don't get too overly excited about the higher overclock of the i5. Look at that eurogamer article. Notice when they put the i5 7600k at 4.8ghz, it's still not that far ahead of the 1600 at 3.8ghz in most titles. There are a couple of outliers, but only one or two.

Anyway, ultimately it's not my money to spend, but the 7600k might be more of a dead end than Ryzen. Even if there is a difference, I don't think the op will see it, and it should be made up for as things swing toward multithreading and doing multiple tasks at once.