Ryzen 5 1600x or Intel i7 6850K

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The 8 cores of the 1700x are kinda tempting but I'm not gonna really utilize them, so I'm just focusing on 6c/12t CPUs
- Ryzen 5 1600x 6c/12t ~ 250€
- Core i7 6850k 6c/12t ~ 350€
If they really are equal, the AM4 platform will allow for quite some savings(from mobo as well), but Im trying to build the best 6c/12t system I can as a self-assigned project

The Ryzen 6 1600x was marketed to be on par with the 6850k, but I wonder if that's really the case.
I would really appreciate some benchmarks and actual performance comparisons between these two as I can't seem to find any, only between the 1600x and the 6800k. And of course any personal experience and opinions on the matter is welcome.

My list of arguments as of now is this:

Intel i7 6850k advantages:
- Better single-core performance
- Quad channel memory and better memory controller (I'm reffering to the ryzen's instability at high frequencies, patching them up with updates feels like a workaround to me)
- 40 PCIe lanes over 24
- Better oc headroom. (Both chips will be overclocked. Ryzen seems to be pretty much pushed to their limit already with most reporting a 4Ghz max stable oc, while the 6850k can reach 4.2-4.4Ghz overall.)
- Better gaming performance, for now at least

Ryzen 5 1600x advantages:
- Better multi-core performance (Is it really?)
- Higher IPC count
- More L2 and L3 cache
- Upgradability, more futureproof
- Lower TDP, yet the i7 reports lower voltages and just as good temps

The 6850k has a higher single core performance plus quad channel memory, so its hard to believe that the ryzen can catch up or even outperform him with the same core count. Plus with the oc I'm planning to do, wont it make up for the achitecture difference?
 
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Today, the I7-7700K is hard to beat for gaming.
It has a passmark rating of 12147 and a single thread rating of 2583. The single thread rating is most important for gaming.

The 6850K has a rating of 14610 and a single thread rating of 2214. The lga2066 platform it requires is also more expensive than the 7700k using lga1151.

Another option might be the I7-7800X using the also pricey lga 2066. Passmark is similar at 14380/2170.
For occasional recording/rendering, the total capability is not so important.
Here is a series of tests comparing the I7-7700K vs. the I7-7800X.
The I7-7700K is equal or better in all cases despite having only 8 threads vs. 12...
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I've Never seen anything saying the 1600x was better than a 6850k. The entire r5 line is marketed at i5 levels.

The r7 series (think 1700) is meant to be around the performance of a 6850k for less money.

Threadripper is actually what is marketed for competition with the x99/x299 platform.
 
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What are you going to do with it.... You could focus on core and single threaded performance versus multi but really the only thing that matters is how they perform using the programs / games you intend to use. For Gaming, we can forget about Ryzen but in some applications it does well, others it doesn't.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600/11.html

And with Intel's new CPUs on the horizon, I don't think I'd do anything until we see them go head to head

Here you can look at Video Editing, where ya gotta like the 6850

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-909/

So without knowing what programs will eat up what share of the workload, really can't make a recommendation
 
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According to some benchmarks between 1600x and oc'ed 6800k I found, they seemed to be on par when utilizing all 6 cores. Then again, marketing is a thing and benchamrks are hard to trust, so here I am.

The 1700x is also exactly 350€ much like the 6850k, and between the two I would go for a better per core score. Idling cores are nice to have, but not really helpful
 
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Why do you keep acting like only the x processors exist? A 1700 is cheaper, can oc beyond 1700x speeds on the stock cooler, and actually comes with a stock cooler, and a $75 board will allow a max oc, all in it's around $200 cheaper than a 6850
 
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I plan on oc'ing either way. The 65W oriented TDP is really nice to have when you plan on keeping stock clocks, but it doesnt allow for much overclock and stability. All in all, I dont like it. So unless the oc'ed 1700 can match the oc'ed 1700x and if that can match the oc'ed 6850k, I would consider it.

Proposing the 1600 would be more accurate. The 1600/1600x have a slighty better per core score than the 1700/1700x due to core count and clocks. If it would match the oc'ed 1600x, I would go ryzen all the way. But theres still the 65W thing.
 
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They are literally the exact same chip. Absolutely nothing different other than they tell one to run one speed tell the other to run another. Tdp means nothing other than "this amount of heat is generated at stock speeds"

The 1600(x) doesn't do any better single core than a 1700 they are the same chips once again with 2 cores cut off.

Ryzen was built for someone with your task set. The fact you can add 33% more cores and threads and save money to upgrade gpu/memory/drives makes it clear cut unless you can run 32gb or more and a 1080ti on your 6850k build
 
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Do you need to buy today??

Today, the I7-7700K is hard to beat for gaming.
It has a passmark rating of 12147 and a single thread rating of 2583. The single thread rating is most important for gaming.

The 6850K has a rating of 14610 and a single thread rating of 2214. The lga2066 platform it requires is also more expensive than the 7700k using lga1151.

Another option might be the I7-7800X using the also pricey lga 2066. Passmark is similar at 14380/2170.
For occasional recording/rendering, the total capability is not so important.
Here is a series of tests comparing the I7-7700K vs. the I7-7800X.
The I7-7700K is equal or better in all cases despite having only 8 threads vs. 12.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1445-core-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/

Where does that leave ryzen 5-1600X with passmark of 13154/1943?
Performance is less, but the price is also less and the motherboard prices will be closer to the 7700K.

If you can wait a few months, the 8th gen Intel I5-8600K and I7-8700K 6 core processors will arrive in the similar price range
Intel does not introduce less effective processors. How much better is currently unknown.
 
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I may disagree with that, though it doesnt really matter because the differences are small.



I dont really need 2 more cores so Im not willing to pay more for them. But I am willing to pay for a better 6 core processor. I believe that was my starting line in the post. I would pick 1600(x) over 1700(x)

In fact I am getting a 1080ti, and if I was in a really strict budget we wouldn't be having this debate to begin with :p

So to sum up, is the 6850k a better six-core than the 1600x?
 
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Anything with 16PCIe lanes is a no-no, it wont allow me to play with m.2 and pcie ssds, which I came to love after installing one in my brothers pc. It was an i5 6600K paired with R9 380 so having it run at x8 is fine, but I plan on getting a 1080ti or RX vega, depending on how good they turn out.

As for the i7 7800x, I did like the idea of the new architecture, but its way too new and unoptimised, plus it didnt turn out to be a good enough performer to justify its cost, and definitely not a gaming chip.
I always do my research first. There is a lot to expect from the i7 8700k that is coming out with the next gen, but I need to build that thing at some point. I already waited the next gen since the last gen, cant do that every year xD
 
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