Potentially Dead MOBO - No POST or any beeps, even without RAM

gazamcgee

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This is not a new build, this is an old PC I've been upgrading for the heck of it.

I know you're all tired of reading this, but I've searched and searched and cannot find a cause. The only thing that could be a possible cause is a dead CPU - I haven't tried to swap it out, but I'm not too eager to try to source a new one. If its dead I will more than likely buy a new MOBO/CPU too ( currently LGA 775 socket, not exactly still in production).


Specs:
MOBO: ABIT I-45C (MicroATX)

CPU: Intel core2duo E8*00 - not sure of the exact revision, and the number is illegible (I've also put it all back together after dismantling it and I'm not too eager to redo it unless I have to. The CPU works with the MOBO as it worked previously and there are no signs of damage/bent pins.)

GPU: ASUS Radeon HD 7770 2GB

PSU: Corsair VS350 (new, also have old 650W off brand that I changed for this one, to test. Both PSUs give same symptoms)

RAM: hyperam 2x2GB DDR2

HDD 1x Seagate 80GB IDE HDD, 1x Seagate 500GB SATA HDD

Cooler- stock

Other Peripherals, DVD RW Drive and live! audio card


It was running fine last night, but powered off by itself during near-idle conditions so I just called it a night. I've had problems with this PC refusing to POST before but they were often fixed by turning it on with the SATA drive disconnected, weird but it worked. I think it had to do with power shortage, thus the new PSU (oddly with less power lol, but I have a strong suspicion that the previous PSU wasn't 650W as stated, even when new and not 10y old as it is now. That aside, it should still do SOMETHING without anything connected, right?)

I've done a breadboard start, or whatever the term is (that seems wrong?) - Removed MOBO, tried to start with only CPU, CPU/RAM, CPU/RAM/GPU, CPU/GPU, hell even without the CPU. All the times the results were the same - All fans spin up, and nothing else. The CPU does not get warm. No beeps (speaker is functional, tested). There is a mild crackling from the internal speaker when the PSU is on but the pc is not.

When starting the PC with the HDDs powered and connected, the 500GB SATA drive spins up and makes audible clicks (cant think of the word for a HDD reading data) - but the IDE drive does not. However, when powered but not connected to the mobo the IDE drive makes the same sound as it did when starting up previously (when the pc worked) - plenty of clicks and hums, as is typical of old HDDs.

Different sticks of RAM in different slots does nothing, and no beeps are present with or without RAM (previously long beeps when no RAM, and short beep on post).

I've taken the mobo out, dusted it, checked for visible damage, no apparent grounding/shorting issues, or other problems.

I'd appreciate any advice that could help me to pinpoint the problem (preferably that hasn't already been posted 100 times, I've read so many threads on this site about similar problems its painful, I've done all of the often first recommended steps like follow the guide thats on the site and read through the PC building guide, I'm already quite experienced with building pcs so nothing new there).

I realise that not having another CPU to swap out is a pain and probably where my issue is, but is there a way I can confirm that without trying it in another PC?
 
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I would say so. If you can rule out PSU, CPU, and RAM it pretty much has to be the board.

HamBown81

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I suspect it is the motherboard. Unfortunately without a set of known-good components it can sometimes be difficult to nail down.

I don't know of a way to test the CPU without a known-good system.
 

HamBown81

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Certainly an option, though I feel like it would still be a toss-up to know if the $5 eBay board works properly or not.
 

gazamcgee

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My thoughts exactly. Rather off topic, would the 350W PSU I have now supply a new MOBO/6th gen i5 sufficiently? If so I may very well just buy a new one. As interesting as it has been to play about with this pc I think its time to call it quits unless anyone can think of anything else.

EDIT: Quotes deciding not to work :(
 

HamBown81

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It kind of depends on the totality of the components. I wouldn't be too comfortable building out a newer generation system with a 350W PSU but it may do the job
 

mattyhoffman7

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Mmm I second that. I would use 450 at the least, but I guess I just like to have extra headroom, 350 will probably do fine.

Check here: www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/
 

HamBown81

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Make sure it's unplugged... lol

Seriously though, just take the normal precautions against electrical damage to the board. Non-conductive surface, anti-static strap, drain the caps on the board, etc.
 

gazamcgee

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How would i go about draining the caps? Just press power button without it plugged in? Also, I'm 90% sure the CMOS battery is dead. Is that a significant problem, beyond it resetting every restart?
 

HamBown81

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Yes, holding the power button while unplugged or PSU switched off is correct.

If the CMOS battery is dead you should replace it, they are cheap as hell and can cause other issues.
 

gazamcgee

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OK... if the pc won't do anything but spin up the fans with a new psu and cpu, can I safely assume it's the mobo that's dead?

Also, I forgot to mention that the power button doesn't work once the pc is on, holding it for any amount of time does nothing. The cpu still doesn't get warm, even with the new one.
 

HamBown81

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I would say so. If you can rule out PSU, CPU, and RAM it pretty much has to be the board.
 
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gazamcgee

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Well... I guess RIP my bank, time for a new mobo/cpu/ram. Thanks for your help, I will look about on the site for any advice on buying new setups, the last one I built personally was a 1150 socket with DDR3 mem, so not too up to scratch with the newer stuff.
 

caio.c.lopes

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I'm having a similar problem, exact same shbang, got myself a new Mobo 1155 and did not even get a post, sent it back to the vendor for replacement, and he sent me a video of the very same Mobo working fine. The guy is pretty shady so I'm not sure if it was a video of the Mobo working before he sent it to me, (he sent it in a reeeeeal bad state, a single page of newspaper around it). Did you get your stuff to work? if so what parts did you replace?
 

gazamcgee

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I never did, I just bought a whole new rig. I plan on going back to it at some point though to check out whats up with it.