Hi everyone, I wrote this thread like many others did, to seek for someone's advise or especially Ryzen current users' opionions. I was using i7-6700k did a mild oc @4.6Ghz, my daily tasks are mainly pubg, discord and downloading at the same time. I7-6700k works just fine for me. However, you guys might be aware there are some mobile games in the market requires lots of farming(eg. Lineage) instead of playing it on a mobile , I was using an Android emulators. And of course i7-6700k reached 100% after I launched 2-3 emulators(I drag it to the smallest size and minimize them). I saw lots of recommendations said why a person will do any other things while gaming, and yes Im that person and there is something call dual/tribble monitors. Im seeking for some advise should I stick with i7-7700k for a mild upgrade or should I go AMD Ryzen 1800x as simple as that. Thanks fellas.
I7-7700k vs Ryzen 1800x
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Chugalug_
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Ditto, also a 6700k owner, there's virtually no difference clock for clock between the two, it's a bit of a waste of cash.
I'd rather wait for next-next gen CPU alternatives from Intel and AMD with higher thread count and clock speed, the upcoming releases still won't be performing to the stage where an upgrade can be warranted, they might perform around 10-15% better at most in games, we're talking mid-single digit frame gains.
I'd rather wait for next-next gen CPU alternatives from Intel and AMD with higher thread count and clock speed, the upcoming releases still won't be performing to the stage where an upgrade can be warranted, they might perform around 10-15% better at most in games, we're talking mid-single digit frame gains.
mbilal2
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I wouldn't do either and stick with the current processor. The Ryzen 1800X sure has higher multi-core processing and will serve you well; but it comes at a cost of ~500$ worth of upgrades. Unless budget is not a problem, I would get the 1800X... or the 1000$ threadripper...
(I was joking about the threadripper. Chill.)
Waiting for Coffee Lake as suggested is a smart move. Though I am pretty sure Intel is just playing catch-up with the Ryzen.
(I was joking about the threadripper. Chill.)
Waiting for Coffee Lake as suggested is a smart move. Though I am pretty sure Intel is just playing catch-up with the Ryzen.
Chugalug_
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I'm talking Cannonlake, Coffee Lake is just more optimized 14nm with higher core counts more or less, there won't be substantial IPC/clock gains either.
The 1700 is also just a slightly lower clocked 1800X at a fraction of the cost, can easily be OC'd to 1800X levels.
The 1700 is also just a slightly lower clocked 1800X at a fraction of the cost, can easily be OC'd to 1800X levels.
Thanks fellas for all your opinions, speaking of worth or not, I actually sold my i7-6700k at $ 315USD which is very close to my original purchase price a year ago. so consider it might be down to a matter whether I should spend more for Ryzen 1800x for better multi-tasking performance or just 20-30USD for just a mild upgrade of exisiting performance. You all did give me some good recommendations.
Chugalug_
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B350 is heaps, unless you're going high end SLI with 1080 TIs, X370 isn't useful for most general users.
The aforementioned Gigabyte AB350 Gaming at $79 is a great deal atm.
Remember to set the RAM XMP frequency in BIOS when you get it up and running!
The aforementioned Gigabyte AB350 Gaming at $79 is a great deal atm.
Remember to set the RAM XMP frequency in BIOS when you get it up and running!
thanks Chugalugohiou_grad_2006
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Gaming performance only, going from OC'd 6700K to OC'd R7-1700/1700X/1800 will typically result in a 10-20% average framerate drop ...
Although the R5-1600 and up do great in multitasking, speaking strictly of gaming performance, I would not really call this move an upgrade...
Although the R5-1600 and up do great in multitasking, speaking strictly of gaming performance, I would not really call this move an upgrade...
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Yes, single core is a little weaker than kaby is. I think single core performance is basically at haswell level.
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At 1440p and 4k there's only a few frames difference either way towards Ryzen or Intel depending on the engine or game being used, and that gap is going to grow in AMD's favor into the future with more CPU utilization through DX12 and new engines like UE4.
Ryzen does fall behind quite a bit at 1080p though vs the 7700k.
Edit: Here's a comparison for reference, look at the 1440p and 4k measures.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1826?vs=1851&_ga=2.268960629.566884306.1499390593-1663337656.1498311277
ohiou_grad_2006
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Yeah, but at 1080p 60hz monitor none does great. It stands to reason later on those that have the cash may be upgrading resolution anyway. Although I think I'll stay on 1080p a while.
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@Chugalug_
At 1440p and 4k there are only a few fps difference because you are bottlenecked by the GPU. That is the reason Toms only test cpu on 1080p to make sure there are no GPU bottlenecked. In the end for a pure gaming rig, Intel I7 7700K beats everything including any Ryzen cpu.
At 1440p and 4k there are only a few fps difference because you are bottlenecked by the GPU. That is the reason Toms only test cpu on 1080p to make sure there are no GPU bottlenecked. In the end for a pure gaming rig, Intel I7 7700K beats everything including any Ryzen cpu.
Sorry for keep asking questions and advise. I understand that fewer cores with lots higher frequency will turn out always be better performance if we are just concentrate only gaming benchmarks(one tasks). The reason I raised this thread is that, I have been through i3 -> i5 -> i7. the bottleneck for myself is I do lots of things at the same time. Gaming, file extracting, downloading, playing another game on android emulators. I previously change from i5-4690k to i7-6700k, I thought it gonna make a huge difference. It does on just gaming but not multitasking like this. So I hope and no idea if it works, that more core with lower frequencies may help in my case as I'm playing player unknown battle ground, not Battlefield 1 or Crisis or Civilization 6. if Ryzen could help but worsen my performance for just playing a single game @1080 then I will probably go i7-7700k or just wait for coffee lake
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The truth of it is this. For pure gaming, i7 7700k is the top dog at the moment. We can speculate coffee lake will be better.
That said, Ryzen still games well. It would feel like having a haswell cpu on single thread precesses, still fast just not as fast as kaby lake.
Due to more cores though, if you are doing streaming, number crunching, video encoding, things that rely on many cores or if you are a heavy multitasker, then there ryzen will do that better for you.
I think there is already talk of a ryzen refresh for next year with 5-15% ipc increase, and that then zen 2 will go toward 7nm. But I think those charts were older so it will be interesting to see if it plays out that way
That said, Ryzen still games well. It would feel like having a haswell cpu on single thread precesses, still fast just not as fast as kaby lake.
Due to more cores though, if you are doing streaming, number crunching, video encoding, things that rely on many cores or if you are a heavy multitasker, then there ryzen will do that better for you.
I think there is already talk of a ryzen refresh for next year with 5-15% ipc increase, and that then zen 2 will go toward 7nm. But I think those charts were older so it will be interesting to see if it plays out that way
Kasper Jorgensen
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Well, you can only play one game at a time and downloading only takes little on your cpu. You probably also really don't extract that many files, specially at the same time as your gaming. Like others said, you will only benefit from Ryzen if you do streaming and video encoding and stuff like that and in that case I would wait a bit to see how the Coffee lake fares against Ryzen.
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I would have to find it again, but I read somewhere that the next version of ryzen will still be 14nm and may be a 5-15% ipc boost. May come out next year and then they'll start gearing up for zen 2.
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Probably in a year or 2 if they advance enough, I may sell my CPU and upgrade when they are closer to fill maturity on zen 2 or zen 3.
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