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I am so confused about buying memory. Why does the g.skill ripjaws v that is going on sale in a couple hours say right in its title "z170 desktop memory"? It's only going to work on ONE type of mother board?? If you go type in the memory card name on pcpartpicker, as well, you'll se TONS of results with the same name, same speed, etc.... but many listings all of different prices and different skus.

Then I see in a topic in this forum people saying corsair is the best, yet everyone kept recommending g.skill to me. And while we're at it, are corsair cases pretty good? I see one rated nearly 5 stars that is around $50 at micro center. I don't want to spend $100-$200 for a case and I also don't want one with a side window and annoying led lights shining everywhere.

I see a B250M mobo going on sale for $60 as well. But every mobo I ever read about has someone bashing it. Whether cheap, middle price, or high end.
 
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The DDR4 2800 is ok but on a ryzen build only expect 2667. Ryzen only supports 2400, 2667, 2933, and 3200 RAM. Higher speed, latency, and quality of chip the higher price. Then you have demand messing...
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Its not Z170 only RAM. It was tested to work at the stated speed on a Z170. There is also flareX thats was tested to work on ryzen at the stated speed. G.skills and corsair RAM are both great RAM. Really depends on which is the best price when I pick RAM.

For cases I like corsair, antec, and NZTX. The NZtX S340, corsair 200r, and Antec 900.

Now I'll bash on how soon the B250 is going to be outdated. Intel should launch coffee lake 6 core i5/i7's in 2 months, with B360, and Z370 motherboards.

 
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Thanks for the case input because the 2 cases I was considering most are the corsair 200r and the nzxt340. Nice examples you gave there, being the exact 2 I was thinking about. lol. Only drawbacks I noticed were apparently louder case fans for the nzxt and more openings for air to leak out on the corsair while also allowing more dust in with no dust filter at the top of the case. But I can find just a may complaints about cases that cost double, so i am likely to pick one of those. Oh also the nzxt mentioned the power button being at the back, which is kind of weird.

As for the memory, I'm still confused as to why there are a ton of g.skill ones that all say the exact same name and speed. nd what I would be risking by using one in a different motherboard than mentioned in the description. I am not even sure whether I want an intel or amd cpu, yet, so I don't know if I can safely buy memory or if some will be better for one platform vs. another.
 
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The exact same named ones are latency. IE a 3200 with 16ns latency, 3200 with 15ns latency, or 3200 with 14ns latency. Then there is color versions as some like to color code their builds say all red, blue, black, silver, or white. Some are LED versions for colored lights. Other than the latency most are just bling lol.

There is also the single, dual, and quad channel kits. Here is a link to the ripjaw V for more information.
https://www.gskill.com/en/finder?cat=31&series=2481
 
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Thanks. Wouldn't latency be one of those things where probably it's not going to be enough difference tot ell any difference in the real world? I was going to get 16gb of at least 2800 or above for the speed, and figured they'd all be good enough at those specs alone.

By the way, I also wondered if there is any advantage one way or another between 2 8gb ones or 1 16gb one. (other than obviously ability to fit more memory later on if you are only taking up one slot with 16).

I deifnitely don't care about looks. I am purposely trying to get a window-less pc to begin with because I think it would annoy me seeing lights come out of it.
 
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btw, I do see why people complain about that corsair 200r not having a top filter.... that is a ton of open space on the top of it. I am still leaning towards it, though, even though that is mighty annoying they'd put the holes there. Hmm I wonder if I culd think of some clever stand that would have some overhang piece above the pc where it would block dust from falling down onto it from above.

I really wish there would be a good case arranged more horizontally because if I could build one not too tall I could fit it on this shelf I have. But I don't know if you can find many cases that are more horizontal than vertical and I am worried the airflow would be bad.
 
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The best bang or the buck right now is 3000~3200 RAM and the latency is a very small differance. I wouldn't worry about the latency that much. Now 1 stick of RAM is single channel so its going to be way slower than dual so get 2X8GB's else your bandwidth is going to be about half. Also adding a second later may not get dual channel working so you may end up still stuck at about half.

On the case if you get a Micro ATX motherboard this is a great little case. The PSU and drivers are all behind the motherboard plate so wiring and such is totally hidden.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Case: Corsair - Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $89.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-30 15:41 EDT-0400

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Another question there is whether or not you use an atx psu with a matx mobo or do you have to get a special psu for it? I already bought a regular atx psu and claimed a rebate on it. And of course whether or not it would work with all the parts, such as fitting a 1050 ti (if I even get a separate gpu).

So does 4 times 4gb give any advantage for RAM, then? Or it's not an improvement like 2 8gb oens is over 1 16gb?
 
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Regular ATX PSU for a MATX case. The mini and slim cases may get you into special PSU's. The 4X4GB quad channels do on a x99, x299, and threadripper motherboards. Many claim that 4 RAM sticks on newer Intel motherboards also may but to small amount.
 
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I still figure in the long run it's best to have 2 8gb ones where it could always be expanded to 32. If you knew you'd ever go all the way to 64, you'd obviously need to just buy the 1 16gb one.

I see asrock mentioned in your sig. Have you used many components of theirs before? I have wondered how good some of their products are.

Would it be impossible to have the computer be quiet if using a matx case? The one you showed me would fit on this desk shelf, although only about half an inch clearance above it.
 
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Man, every step of the way deciding what parts to get is stressful. From some reviews on that matx case, sounds like fans are quiet, but people saying you can't use many of the aftermarket cpu coolers and that many graphics cards also won't fit. Plus the price is double what I can get the 200r for and only would have half an inch clearance above it so i dont know if that would trap warm air near it. But if I get a standard size one I practically have to have it in the floor or else be very annoyed having it on this little stand thingy because it would put it in my peripheral vision when using the computer.
 
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If your motherboard has 4 DIMM then a 16BGB kit (2X8GB) and later a 32GB kit (2X16) puts you to 48GB's. Thats enough RAM to cover 8 year by moores law. By that time you would have already picked up a new system. Just be sure to get a mATX with 4 DIMM slots.
You could make it easier by getting the pros here to suggest builds. Take a few things you want with a budget and they can make a great system parts list. For the AIR 240 the top doesnt matter much. It blows cool air in from the front. Long as the side where the power supply pulls in air and back have room it should be fine. Just move the top fan to the rear.
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Only thing is I am such a beginner at building, the less changing I have to do, the better. Blah, i will just have to think over what I want to do. As for the memory, I thought if you mix different sized ones it causes some problem like it doesn't use the full potential of the bigger size ones or something.
 
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As long as its in the second bank of DIMMs doesnt matter. The motherboard has a bank 0 and bank 1 for RAM. Same bank has to be a kit made to work together. When you get the second kit just make sure the speed. ns, and voltage will match up in the profile. I'm currently running a 8gb kit with a 16gb kit for 24GB's. Its dual channell at 1600 which is the max of my slower RAM. Dont expect to get 3600 32GB kit and the old work at 3600. Your limited to the slower of the 2 speeds. Another good reaason to get 3200 atleast.
 
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Yes it comes down to price as the 2400 costs $123 for 16GB and 3200 costs $130. Actually right now the 2667 costs more than 3200 as the cheapest 2667 is $136. Even tho performance doesn't increase a lot the price is reasonable until you get to 3400 and higher. For the 3400 RAM costs $165 per kit.
 
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I thought about going ahead and jumping on one of the ones $120-$130, but the thing is, I bet someone will have it at $100 for some black friday deal. Although, then again, a lot of the black friday deals are on older tech. And I see fry's constantly having ddr3 memory on sale and i3 etc.... more often than the ddr4 and more current tech.

My goal, though, was to buy parts slowly through the rest of the year and catch every part on a good deal to take advantage of my current pc working again. Originally, I needed a new pc fast due to windows 10 screwing up on my pc, but I managed to reinstall it in a different partition and access my files and then reinstall in the original partition again. Plus my pc is working amazingly better than ever since I cleaned out the dust. lol.
 
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I wanted to buy parts one by one, slowly, as they go on good deals, as well. But now am thinking I better not go too long between buying them all or I will have return periods go out without knowing if something (sucha s the case) is a lemon.
 
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Do you think 2800 speed is good enough, though? I know you'd say 3000 or 3200 would be better, but I'm not sure if it's worth the extra money or not. Although even for 3000 or 3200 it doesn't cost "much" more. It would be probably $140 for some of those.

I'm still confused why some will be so much more expensive, though. Sometimes they will have ripjaws or corsair vengeance for a supposedly great sale price and it will still be up at $140-$150.
 
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