Problem with PC

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

My specs

GTX 1050 2gb (OC version)
AMD athlon8(tm) X4 845 quad core (3.5 ghz, 3.8 if overclocking it)
8gb RAM

So I have been having problems with framerates. The thing is when I check my gpu usage it only uses 20-30% (gpu-z). So my graphics card apparently is not being used to its fullest potential and I can recognize that when Im playing games such as CSGO.

Also downloaded the destiny 2 beta, game runs fine but when Im getting to bigger environments and more monsters i drop frames below 50, doesnt matter if I play on low settings or higher. It is them same thing.

I've suspected for some time now that is is my CPU that is causing the gpu not to work to it's fullest potential (bottleneck). I'm not very good at this computer stuff and the stuff to check for but can anyone help me pinpoint the exact problem so I can fix it? Is a new CPU the problem fixer here?

bicycle_repair_man · Aug 30, 2017

milan9074 :

At first glance, I'd be inclined to agree. If CPU usage is very high and GPU usage is very low then you definitely have a bottleneck.

Okakmetito · Aug 30, 2017

This is a case of bottleneck- nothing to do with your GPU. I have the same problem with my computer as I have gtx 660 Ti but just an i3 CPU. Unfortunately, if you overclock CPU there is not much more you can do other than buy a better one- but this is a trick I use that makes my CPU work to it's fullest potential.

When you run CSGO, open Task Manager (Control+alt+delete) and go to Details in the top bar. Then right click on CSGO.exe (or whatever the game file is called) and then click on Set Affinity. If it has only a few cores checked, then check them all (so click on ALL CORES). After you have done that, right click on the file again and click right on top of set affinity, to Set Priority.

Here it will say that the priority of your program is set to normal or low. Set it to RealTime for maximum results (or High if you have another program open that takes up your CPU). You will have to do this every time you statup your game (which is annoying) but it drastically improves performance.

Another thing I use to improve GPU performance is overclocking with MSI Afterburner. Install that then set GPU Core Clock to +150 or +200. If you have a bad PSU (power supply unit) and your GPU crashes often with overclocking, turn it down a bit or in advanced options turn up max power or max voltage.

Keep MSI Afterburner open throughout the game but you can close Task Manager once you have set the priority to RealTime.

Also disable Anti-Viruses if you are not planning on using the internet for browsing or downloading, but just for playing.

Hope this helps, as it is what I do every time I play For Honor.

-Alexander

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

bicycle_repair_man :

What is the normal gpu usage if I run games such as destiny?

bicycle_repair_man · Aug 30, 2017

milan9074 :

bicycle_repair_man :

What is the normal gpu usage if I run games such as destiny?

GPU usage should be at or close to 100% when gaming.

Okakmetito · Aug 30, 2017

bicycle_repair_man :

milan9074 :

GPU usage should be at or close to 100% when gaming.

Yes 99% or 100%.

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

Okakmetito :

bicycle_repair_man :

Okakmetito :

Yea i downloaded msi after burner and it is going up and down from 60-80/85 while playing. THere is no stability. I've heard my CPU is not a good one for gaming.

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

Okakmetito :

This is a case of bottleneck- nothing to do with your GPU. I have the same problem with my computer as I have gtx 660 Ti but just an i3 CPU. Unfortunately, if you overclock CPU there is not much more you can do other than buy a better one- but this is a trick I use that makes my CPU work to it's fullest potential.

When you run CSGO, open Task Manager (Control+alt+delete) and go to Details in the top bar. Then right click on CSGO.exe (or whatever the game file is called) and then click on Set Affinity. If it has only a few cores checked, then check them all (so click on ALL CORES). After you have done that, right click on the file again and click right on top of set affinity, to Set Priority.

Here it will say that the priority of your program is set to normal or low. Set it to RealTime for maximum results (or High if you have another program open that takes up your CPU). You will have to do this every time you statup your game (which is annoying) but it drastically improves performance.

Another thing I use to improve GPU performance is overclocking with MSI Afterburner. Install that then set GPU Core Clock to +150 or +200. If you have a bad PSU (power supply unit) and your GPU crashes often with overclocking, turn it down a bit or in advanced options turn up max power or max voltage.

Keep MSI Afterburner open throughout the game but you can close Task Manager once you have set the priority to RealTime.

Also disable Anti-Viruses if you are not planning on using the internet for browsing or downloading, but just for playing.

Hope this helps, as it is what I do every time I play For Honor.

-Alexander

Is it safe to overclock?

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

and yea, bicycle, I also checked my cpu usage and it is running at 95-100%, while gpu is not stable at all.

Think I've found the solution finally, thanks to you guys. Gonna have to buy a new cpu to get maximum performance.

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

Okakmetito :

This is a case of bottleneck- nothing to do with your GPU. I have the same problem with my computer as I have gtx 660 Ti but just an i3 CPU. Unfortunately, if you overclock CPU there is not much more you can do other than buy a better one- but this is a trick I use that makes my CPU work to it's fullest potential.

When you run CSGO, open Task Manager (Control+alt+delete) and go to Details in the top bar. Then right click on CSGO.exe (or whatever the game file is called) and then click on Set Affinity. If it has only a few cores checked, then check them all (so click on ALL CORES). After you have done that, right click on the file again and click right on top of set affinity, to Set Priority.

Here it will say that the priority of your program is set to normal or low. Set it to RealTime for maximum results (or High if you have another program open that takes up your CPU). You will have to do this every time you statup your game (which is annoying) but it drastically improves performance.

Another thing I use to improve GPU performance is overclocking with MSI Afterburner. Install that then set GPU Core Clock to +150 or +200. If you have a bad PSU (power supply unit) and your GPU crashes often with overclocking, turn it down a bit or in advanced options turn up max power or max voltage.

Keep MSI Afterburner open throughout the game but you can close Task Manager once you have set the priority to RealTime.

Also disable Anti-Viruses if you are not planning on using the internet for browsing or downloading, but just for playing.

Hope this helps, as it is what I do every time I play For Honor.

-Alexander

Btw, why would I overclock my GPU? isn't my cpu the problem? isn't it the CPU I should be overclocking?

Okakmetito · Aug 30, 2017

milan9074 :

Okakmetito :

Btw, why would I overclock my GPU? isn't my cpu the problem? isn't it the CPU I should be overclocking?

Overclocking is only dangerous if your PSU is bad. This can cause crashing. Your CPU looks like mostly the problem but there is no harm in overclocking, it is safe and if it crashes, you can just turn it down a bit for next time you start up.

Okakmetito · Aug 30, 2017

Just try these step and if you are still not satisfied you then go ahead and buy another CPU. If you are like me and not willing to pay even more money for your computer, then this is about as good as it gets. Trust me, it isn't just a tiny improvement- it is quite a large difference. Just try it out.

Okakmetito · Aug 30, 2017

milan9074 :

Overclocking a CPU is a really tricky process, and some computers can't even do it (like mine). It has to do with what BIOS you have. If you can overclock- then by all means do- but I have never overclocked my CPU and I can't assure you that your computer will not face damage. MSI Afterburner is great to use as if anything goes wrong you just open it once your pc turns on again and change the settings lower. Anything involving BIOS is more risky. But overall, I would overclock my CPU if I could and if I were you, I would try it out.

Okakmetito · Aug 30, 2017

You can only overclock GPU with MSI (I think)

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

I tried the real time solution but when I do that i Notice stuttering, both sound wise and in game, but also when moving my mouse I recognize a bit suttering. Changed it to high priority though and that didn't cause any stuttering but I'm not noticing any fps increase.

Yea with MSI looks like I can only overclock gpu.

but you did not answer my question though:

why overclock the gpu if the problem is my cpu, my cpu is causing my gpu not to work at 100%. So obviously my gpu is not the issue. You are saying I should overclock the GPU, is that what people do when bottleneck happens, e.g the cpu hinders the gpu to work to the fullest`?

bicycle_repair_man · Aug 30, 2017

Overclocking your GPU won't make any difference.

Overclocking your CPU may make a difference, but you're going to need a CPU cooler and a decent PSU and motherboard just to get started. You're also going to need to spend time learning how to overclock.

Overclocking is perfectly safe if you take the time to learn about it and have quality components.

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

bicycle_repair_man :

It is overclockable to 3.8 GHZ.

But as I don't know what the hell I'm doing, I will not do it. Might aswell wait cause I'm buying a new CPU next month. And also I can play games with good frames right now, it is just that I know the computer is not running at full potential and that is something I want in the future.

Do you have any tips on wich CPU is the best for my GPU (GTX 1050 2gb).?

My current CPU is AMD athlon x4 845, wich is really crappy compared to the i5 processors. Can I expect a real performance boost when I get the i5?

Okakmetito · Aug 30, 2017

bicycle_repair_man :

Yes he is right. Sometimes bottlenecking isn't the only problem and you have to overclock GPU too, but in your case, probably just try focusing on the CPU.

Overclocking CPU is a really hard process but as bicycle_repair_man says, if you learn it well and make no mistakes, maybe the hours of effort will pay off. But I don't think it will really make much of a difference. If the RealTime thing doesn't work- and if you followed all of the steps and have nothing else open or running (apart from system stuff) then I can't really help you that much. I don't know what clicking sound you are hearing, but it isn't a great sign. 50 fps doesn't sound bad to me but if you're really that picky and you want to get better games- just buy another CPU if you have the money. Maybe do some internet research to find out why your game is stuttering. If you are not satisfied with that then overclocking CPU won't give you much of a boost either, and that is a much trickier process.

I just thought that a low performing GPU might help if it is overclocked in some way or another- whether it is core clock or memory.

If the worst comes to the worst, just lower the settings on your games. Even though you may not see much of a difference, I think it does help the CPU a bit. And if you are so frustrated at the bottleneck and at the fact that you have a great GPU but you can't get the quailty and the framerate- then go ahead and buy a better CPU. It will last for longer and will perform far better than the one you have. Only if you are like me- with a laptop and an external GPU- and with very little money- then you should go into the time consuming processes to slightly improve CPU performance.

milan9074 · Aug 30, 2017

Okakmetito :

bicycle_repair_man :

Yes he is right. Sometimes bottlenecking isn't the only problem and you have to overclock GPU too, but in your case, probably just try focusing on the CPU.

Overclocking CPU is a really hard process but as bicycle_repair_man says, if you learn it well and make no mistakes, maybe the hours of effort will pay off. But I don't think it will really make much of a difference. If the RealTime thing doesn't work- and if you followed all of the steps and have nothing else open or running (apart from system stuff) then I can't really help you that much. I don't know what clicking sound you are hearing, but it isn't a great sign. 50 fps doesn't sound bad to me but if you're really that picky and you want to get better games- just buy another CPU if you have the money. Maybe do some internet research to find out why your game is stuttering. If you are not satisfied with that then overclocking CPU won't give you much of a boost either, and that is a much trickier process.

I just thought that a low performing GPU might help if it is overclocked in some way or another- whether it is core clock or memory.

If the worst comes to the worst, just lower the settings on your games. Even though you may not see much of a difference, I think it does help the CPU a bit. And if you are so frustrated at the bottleneck and at the fact that you have a great GPU but you can't get the quailty and the framerate- then go ahead and buy a better CPU. It will last for longer and will perform far better than the one you have. Only if you are like me- with a laptop and an external GPU- and with very little money- then you should go into the time consuming processes to slightly improve CPU performance.

Yea for now I'll leave it as it is as games are playable without any problems.I am in general very picky but I just want my PC to work to its fullest potential. I'll wait a month till I buy the new CPU.

Appriciate your help though and that you took your time to try and help me. Thank you.

bicycle_repair_man · Aug 30, 2017

milan9074 :

No it isn't, 3.8Ghz is the maximum clock speed that the CPU will temporarily run at when the load is high. Overclocking is a permanent increase in clock speed and the maximum clock speed achievable is dependent on a huge number of factors.

Overclocking the CPU is only worth a try if you have everything you need already.

A good CPU would be an i5-7500 or a Ryzen 5 1400. Obviously you're going to need a new motherboard and new RAM, but you may also need to buy another copy of Windows. All of that could make the upgrade rather pricey.

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