Company not displaying what gpu they are selling

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

So i just bought my new system, and when its got here i bought a 1060 6gb, thinking i would be getting a gigabyte ect but its come and its a zotec mini? and now i feel like an idiot, the site doesnt display what version of the card it is, so what i was wondering would i be worth sending back and getting a bigger one or is there not much difference in performance from the mini to the bigger size (duel fan)?

Gam3r01 · Sep 2, 2017

If its a prebuilt system they probably wouldnt give you a "bigger" card for free, its just not how they do business.
So long as you dont plan on doing some extreme overclocking, the smaller card would perform almost identical, and you can easily raise the clock speeds slightly to match any big card.

Sedivy · Sep 2, 2017

1060 is a 1060 because it's an nvidia card, not zotec and not gigabyte. The shrouds are produced by different companies and they can differ in the number of fans sure, which may or may not impact cooling. Check reviews to see what you can expect from a desired gigabyte card vs zotec mini in performance, heat and noise. If it's a difference you find unacceptable, then think about return/exchange. Otherwise it's not worth the hassle.

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Sedivy :

The card is running fine, but i just thought in the long run it might end up being an issue when i cant return it (only got 1 month to return it for any reason) it doesnt make much noise (but the pc is quite loud as i requested 4 fans in the case) i just didnt want to feel like im missing out on a better card, so does the performance not change between the cards?

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Gam3r01 :

Its not a prebuilt system i chose all the parts myself and when i was choosing the gpu it just said "3/6 gb 1060" no branding label, im contemplating sending it back and to get a bigger card seen as i want to send it back to get a i7 put in (i only have i5)

Gam3r01 · Sep 2, 2017

If its one of those boutique builders where you just selects parts from categories on a website, thats still a prebuilt. Chances are they dont stock any other aftermarket cards, but it dosent hurt to ask.

Sedivy · Sep 2, 2017

The performance may change depending on the base clock and the max clock it can hit but that's silicon lottery that they've pre-selected for you, not because it's somehow better card model. Also heat and noise will change depending on the cooling system and that may be a big issue for a lot of people. Not sure how big of an issue it will be for you.
For my system I did research which third party card to get in advance, and I read a lot of reviews to make sure I'm not getting a card that on repeated use turns out to have an annoying flaw. I recommend you do the same, you still have some time. But as was mentioned, you are likely unable to tell whoever you got your system from "I want this card model and not the other". I doubt any pre-built system allows you that freedom. This is one of the big reasons why most enthusiast build them themselves.

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Gam3r01 :

i have just asked probably wont get a reply till monday though

Gam3r01 · Sep 2, 2017

Tuesday probably depending on the companies location, monday is a holiday in the US.

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Sedivy :

yeah ive tried to build my own and it didnt go too well, and the noise isnt a problem and it doesnt get hot at all even when running high demand games (i dont really know why maybe because of how many fans ive got it placed on laminate flooring in a big room so i dont know, but as you can guess the heat isnt an issue either) there isnt really a current issue i was just wondering for future ill do some research

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Gam3r01 :

im from england so it was bank holiday this monday

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

also im not sure if this is your guys field of knowledge (maybe it is) but is there a real noticeable difference during gaming between an i5 Quad Core Processor i5-7600 3.5GH) 6MB Cache or i7-7700K

dontlistentome · Sep 2, 2017

If they are offering a "3gb or 6gb 1060" and you got a 3gb or 6gb 1060 when you picked one, then you got what you paid for. If it didn't list dual fan or single fan, there's nothing sketchy going on.

One thing, as a general rule, ALL cards of a type perform the same. The same as in if you ran games on them side by side, you wouldn't be able to tell which is which. There might be fps differences showing up in benchmarks but in real world use it doesn't matter.

The 3gb 1060 is not as fast as the 6gb 1060, that's where the larger performance difference is. But you chose the 6gb so you have the fastest 1060. The other stuff, how many fans, how large or small the card is, that's really more personal preference than anything else.

Finally, a lot of sellers buy in bulk and that's how they keep costs down so their prices are lower. They may buy from different suppliers, depending on who is offering the best price at the time. This might be why they don't specify which 1060 they offer since they may get different ones each time they buy some.

edit: There's no difference from a practical sense between those CPUs in gaming at 1080p 60hz. The videocard caps performance. This is in newer games. Also, the 7700K is for overclocking and that's where you'd get your value. Meaning if overclocking isn't your thing then buying that CPU is a waste.

Gam3r01 · Sep 2, 2017

Benc12 :

The 7700k would offer better gaming performance, but only slightly. Unless you need the extra threads from the i7 it probably would not be worth the increased price. If the system performs to your liking I wouldnt bother.

Sedivy · Sep 2, 2017

If you don't have a heat issue then I wouldn't worry too much. As for the two processors, the i7 is the more powerful processor, no doubt, but not staggeringly so, and it suffers from some unfortunate heat issues more often than not, at least judging by the frequent complaints on this forum. If I was building a system right now, as opposed to 5 months ago, I would look into either Ryzen or the Coffee Lakes because now that intel is moving to match ryzen in number of cores, all the apps and games are going to slowly adjust to make use of them, which in the long run will make a big difference and give you a better mileage out of a cpu.

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Gam3r01 :

the system seemed to go really slow earlier when under alot of stress thats why i asked but in gaming and having a stream and multiple tabs up it works fine in ultra just im not very confident when it comes to things like bottle necking the cpu ect

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Sedivy :

if im only looking to get 3-5 years out of the system would you not suggest bothering?

Sedivy · Sep 2, 2017

No, I'd definitely bother. Whether it'll be 3 or 5 years until you decide it's become too slow for you partly depends on how you use the machine, and partly depends on how good it was to begin with when you bought it. A lot can change in 3 years program development wise. If it was just amd pushing this, I might be reluctant, but since Intel is matching, it makes it a lot more likely developers will try to take advantage of extra cores. Professional applications that are resource hungry are usually the first to adjust as performance=money for them in a very big way. Games are slower but once someone comes with a successful gorgeous looking flagship game that uses all the cores and is ahead of others for it, then it's a race.
Will this really make a shattering difference in time for your new rig, especially if you your favorite game is retro looking terraria or rimworld or something? I don't know. But more cores are likely to give you better performance for longer and if it was me, I'd be likely going ryzen at this point (or coffee lake if I found a really good price).

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Sedivy :

No, I'd definitely bother. Whether it'll be 3 or 5 years until you decide it's become too slow for you partly depends on how you use the machine, and partly depends on how good it was to begin with when you bought it. A lot can change in 3 years program development wise. If it was just amd pushing this, I might be reluctant, but since Intel is matching, it makes it a lot more likely developers will try to take advantage of extra cores. Professional applications that are resource hungry are usually the first to adjust as performance=money for them in a very big way. Games are slower but once someone comes with a successful gorgeous looking flagship game that uses all the cores and is ahead of others for it, then it's a race.
Will this really make a shattering difference in time for your new rig, especially if you your favorite game is retro looking terraria or rimworld or something? I don't know. But more cores are likely to give you better performance for longer and if it was me, I'd be likely going ryzen at this point (or coffee lake if I found a really good price).

im not sure if my system can just be replaced with a ryzen? since on the site it says ryzen builds and intel builds and i clicked intel so i dont know

Sedivy · Sep 2, 2017

Well...amd processor usually also means amd motherboard and maybe a different cooler too depending on whether the ryzen you're getting comes with its own stock cooler or not. So yes menu options would be totally different. If you purchased already, this is all a bit of a moot point now. I doubt they'll just let you change your mind unless something was wrong but you can try I suppose.

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

Sedivy :

im just going to wait ive got 3 years of parts (so i can send it to them and they replace the part for a fee) so if it really becomes a problem ill change it but at the minute think im just going to stick with the processor

dontlistentome · Sep 2, 2017

You can check this for yourself on various tests and benchmarks- the videocard still is a determining factor in game performance at different resolutions in gaming.

For example, if you pair a 1080p card with two different processors, one a quad core/no ht and the other a quad core w/ht, and run the game at 1080p you will see similar framerates. Why? Because that card is meant for 1080p so 'extra' CPU power will not help performance in any meaningful way, the videocard is doing all the work it can do even with the non hyper threaded quad core.

So it's not so simple as saying get the most powerful CPU you can and you'll be good for 3 or 4 years. Even if a game can use 8 threads, if you pair your CPU with a 1060 you will still only get the performance a 1060 can offer, there is no 'extra' room to push it. It's only when you have an underpowered CPU that you can get a performance increase with a more powerful CPU using the same videocard. If you had a dual core and moved up to a quad core, while using a 1060? Yeah you'll see a performance boost in games that use quad core.

Benc12 · Sep 2, 2017

dontlistentome :

You can check this for yourself on various tests and benchmarks- the videocard still is a determining factor in game performance at different resolutions in gaming.

For example, if you pair a 1080p card with two different processors, one a quad core/no ht and the other a quad core w/ht, and run the game at 1080p you will see similar framerates. Why? Because that card is meant for 1080p so 'extra' CPU power will not help performance in any meaningful way, the videocard is doing all the work it can do even with the non hyper threaded quad core.

So it's not so simple as saying get the most powerful CPU you can and you'll be good for 3 or 4 years. Even if a game can use 8 threads, if you pair your CPU with a 1060 you will still only get the performance a 1060 can offer, there is no 'extra' room to push it. It's only when you have an underpowered CPU that you can get a performance increase with a more powerful CPU using the same videocard. If you had a dual core and moved up to a quad core, while using a 1060? Yeah you'll see a performance boost in games that use quad core.

so there is absolutely no reason to change? i didnt think there was but i was just thinking maybe the gpu is too strong for the cpu as you can tell im not very good at computers

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