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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/TheSurfinPanda/saved/GkD8K8
*already have monitors and storage.

Hi this is my 2nd attempt at a gaming PC (1080p). Max £1000 but don't want to spend any money on unnecessary stuff. I play games like GTA V and would like to ramp it (nearly every game tbh) straight up to ultra settings without worrying.

I do not like the hyper 212 evo, as I just don't think it's that effective. However I can not decide on a cpu cooler. I do not really care about the noise that much, so long as it doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner. My room however does get very hot, so good ventilation is a priority.

Would the power supply have enough wattage, and is bronze certified okay? Also wondering is Seasonic if a reliable and respectable brand, as my house also gets a few power cuts per year and also if anything happens to it I don't want it to take out other components.

I'm not interested in overclocking.

Any advice, comments or criticism is welcome and appreciated. Thank you :) .
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£188.77 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£75.46 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card (£369.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case (£65.47 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.80 @ Alza)
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan (£8.72 @ Aria PC)
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan (£8.72 @ Aria PC)
Total: £901.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-05 21:19 BST+0100

Stock fan on the 1600 is pretty decent and allows some overclocking.

16gb ram will help more than the CPU cooler. Ryzen also LOVES fast ram as it helps a lot with gaming tasks.
 
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Hi again Charliegaynor1337
the cooler you chose now will need a separately available mounting plate before it can be used. I changed to the Deepcool Gammax white 400. with a link to the review. I could only find the white version.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Jxs6wV
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-gammaxx-400-slim-tower-cpu-cooler,4460.html
Seasonic is one of the most respected PSU manufacturers available. all good on the power front. the M12II is a high quality unit. I would suggest a surge protector with any power supply & replace the surge protector every 20-24 months.
 
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clamping speed on surge suppressors age and slow down. they may have improved over time but 24 months has been the number I have always seen and went by.

edited original post for clarity.
 
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1. The cooler you selected is only 160w TDP rated. The 212 EVO you're comparing it to is rated higher at 180w. Typically "slim" design heatsinks don't cool as many watts. The Cryorig M9i outperforms the 212, and the M9i is actually cheaper too. The M9i also outperforms a 180w rated BeQuiet Shadow Rock 2, which has a double thick fin stack. The only odd thing about the M9i is for some reason they very conservatively rated it at only 120w. https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7426/cryorig-m9i-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

2. Yes, Seasonics are fine. Even their Bronze units perform well, but they are less efficient than silver or gold rated PSUs. That means they cannot sustain as high a ratio of output wattage for the amount of wattage they draw off the outlet. This means it will use more electricity, so if you leave your PC on all day, and electricity is expensive in your area, that is something to consider. Silver or gold rated ones usually have better quality parts too.

3. Not overclocking is fine if you choose your CPU carefully, but the 3.2GHz Ryzen 1600 really needs an OC to be anywhere near an Intel chip. You may want to wait to look at the Intel i7-8700k if you want a six core CPU and don't plan on OCing. It will no doubt cost more, but it will be clocked way higher and will turbo at 4.3GHz on all 6 cores.


 
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Looking at the test results though the M9i doesn't seem to perform that well.
Will think about that with PSU's thank you. How does corsair stack up against Seasonic? do you think the Corsair CSM 550W would be better for me personally - it's essentially the same price ( http://bit.ly/2w4hYFx )
If not overclocking then, would you (or anyone else) be more likely to suggest the ryzen 5 1600 or the i5-7500? i5-7500 is cheaper and performs close in benchmarks but 2 less cores - one or two others recommended the ryzen 5.
I don't think I would get any value for money investing in an I7 tho, with a 60hz monitor I doubt I would see the difference.
 
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With a 60hz monitor I'd definitely go with a 1600, even with the stock cooler you have yh option of overclocking down the road if it becomes necessary. You definitely want 16gb ram as well.
A cx550m is probably even with the seasonic the one you listed is not
 
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What's wrong with cs550m vs cx550m? Johnny Guru gave the cs550m 8.4/10 and most people seem to think that the cs series is better, although the source might be a little outdated.
 
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Really don't get where you're sourcing that info, because all the reviews I've seen show it beating the former king of budget coolers (212 EVO), and I just showed you a test where it even beat a BeQuiet with twice the HS size and 50% higher TDP rating.

I don't know what you're expecting, but the M9i is about as good as it gets at that price point.

I also wouldn't trust a Cosrair to be as good as a Seasonic unless it's one of their CSV models. CSM just means modular (detachable cables).

Anyways, this is why I don't bother taking the time to put up an entire list of components anymore, because a lot of people start out with questions that indicate how much they have to learn, yet when they respond to your replies, they act like they know more than you do. It may not be the tone you intended, but it sure comes off that way.

 
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Does it even fit AM4 socket? From what PC part picker says, it doesn't. I mean nearly all of my response was questions, clearly showing how I don't think i know more. Calm down matey.
 
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Thank you, that tier list is excellent. Would you recommend a good aftermarket CPU cooler, or use the stock cooler and invest in a draftier case? :)
 
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I would recommend both cause it's a matter of getting as much air as you can through it and though you may not be thinking about it now, in a few years when your cpu ages a bit, you may want to push it a bit with OC. At this point since presets exist in every bios, that OC consists of going into bios and pressing the bit boost button. It really is simple. So plan ahead for that, even if you may not use it straight away.
You don't have to break the bank for it. Corsair's spec series for example, is very affordable.

Tomshardware has a nice list of air coolers http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpu-coolers,4181.html, you're not going to go wrong with any of the big or mid ones but beware that they all have a height limit which you need to then check against your case air cooler limit, to see if it will fit. Same goes for memory sticks which if the air cooler is huge, may bump into it. Go with the one that fits and you can get for a good price at the time of your purchase.
 
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The cooler looks groovy, however it only ships from overseas (I'm in the UK), so would take too long to get here :-( Thanks though mate :)

 
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The cooler looks groovy, however it only ships from overseas (I'm in the UK), so would take too long to get here :-( Thanks though mate :)
Update Never mind I found it on amazon! Bargain http://amzn.to/2f1b5zi
 
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Question from charliegaynor1337 : "Final PC rig thoughts"

My 3rd post about my rig and my last. Thanks to everyone who helped me so far.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/The...a/saved/rWsXsY

There is the link to the pc. Are there any main points of critique or advise on improving the rigs' value for money? Would like to order later today (06/09/2017) if possible also!

A few points to note:
I'm not really intersted in overclocking initially
I live in a rural area, hence gold certified and reliable, safe PSU is ideal
Not too sure about the case, but my room is very hot hence good airflow is required.

Thanks in advance
 
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Hardly, you responded saying the M9i "doesn't perform that well". That is not a question but a rebuttal, and for someone asking advice and specing a slim cooler instead of a 212 EVO, which would obviously perform worse, it comes off as sounding snotty, not just naive.

Anyways, granted I had assumed the M9i would be part of Cryorig's free adapter program, but apparently it's not, despite it dethroning the long running affordable cooler king the 212 EVO. They still have plenty of capable coolers at decent prices that WILL support AM4.

For that matter I really don't even get why you're insisting on AM4, especially since you don't want to OC. Pretty much everyone knows Ryzens need to be OCed. I guess you think you know it all though, how to build the dysfunctional way anyhow. :ange:

 
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Looks good. Just don't forget to get a simple power bar with a surge protector in it. If there is a power surge (storm etc.), it can save your PSU from frying.
The only thing money wise when I was ordering mine was trying to always go for free shipping and grouping items so that nothing needed to be spent on that. Also, discounts and deals that may be in the local stores, that might outmatch the online stuff. I realize in rural areas that won't be that easy so just focus on online deals.
 
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No where did i insist of AM4, actually I asked you whether the i5-7500 or the ryzen 1600 would be better - quite the opposite. Again most of my responses have been questions. Not quite sure why you are getting so angry over this friend :)
 
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You're mostly leaning toward toward AM4 from what I've seen, and you pretty much answered that question in that post, saying it performs equally with the 1600 for the most part. I saw no need to waste time saying what you already acknowledged.

The question is whether you want something that is future ready regarding CPU. With every other part you seem concerned about that, even the PSU which is smart, but you're kinda taking the CPU for granted.

IMO it's wise to get a CPU that can handle the increasing number of games that are beyond quad threading development. What I don't like about Ryzen is they're clocked low and are finicky to OC. Sure they're cheap, but as always, you get what you pay for.

I would at least wait to see what the 8700k will be priced at, and whether you can get a good price on one, even if it's an OEM model. Even if it costs $100 more, it will be money well spent on a part that will likely be in your system for some time, and even handle a GPU upgrade without touching the speed.

There's value in parts like that which many don't see.

 
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