Is upgrading my CPU worth it??

DudeRed

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Good evening.

Like the title says, would upgrading my CPU be worth it? Right now, I am currently running on an A10-7850K APU with a GTX 1050 (non ti) graphics card. In a previous thread I was informed that if I wanted to upgrade my GPU, I should upgrade both my power supply and CPU before hand. Link here.

I am thinking of upgrading to a Ryzen 1500X with a new motherboard and 16GB of DDR4 ram which comes to a total cost of $475 dollars Canadian(which is at the very top of my budget). I cannot go one step further as to upgrade to the Ryzen 1600. Should I stick with the Ryzen 1500X or downgrade to the Ryzen 1400 (or just create a whole new CPU combination as a whole)? And like the title said, would upgrading my CPU be worth it?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Upgrade definitely worth it. You current cpu is weaker than old Intel Ivy-Bridge cpu, the Ryzen are equitable to Intel Haswells. About 40% stronger performance in gaming ability.

With a fixed budget, a stronger cpu outweighs the minor difference in ram size. 8gb is a minimum recommendation, you can run windows and just about every game on 8Gb, especially at 1080p. If you were wanting a top end build with crossfire or sli gpus on a 4k monitor, the yes 16Gb would be advisable, but for your pc 8Gb is fine, most games won't use that much, you might see 50-70% usage at best.

2 threads in 2 cores is much stronger than 2 threads in 1 core. Knowing this, a 1500x is 4c/8t or basically a Haswell i7, like the older i7-4770k. The 1600 has 6c/12t...

DudeRed

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Wouldnt this part list make more sense with your idea?? If I were to go with your solution, upgrading my RAM would be more complicated because there is only two ram slots. With my list, I could easily add more RAM with 4 RAM slots and have a maximum of 4x8GB of RAM. Also, the RAM from my part list seems to be of higher quality and the parts overall pretty much the same price.
 

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That'll work nicely. The Patriot elite use Samsung B-die, so fit very well with Ryzen cpus and high speeds. I'd try for 3200 over 2800 though.
The Corsair lpx don't do so well with Ryzen cpus, and no, they really aren't better quality than the Patriots.
I'd not add ram later to make 16Gb,thats always a crap shoot whether it'll work or even be stable, much better off buying a full 16Gb kit of 2x8Gb sticks and selling the old ram for some cash back. The ASR board is equitable if not slightly better than that MSI, and the bios is much more user friendly.
 

DudeRed

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Thank you for a very in-depth response. However, you are leaving me with a bunch of questions regarding this topic that you brought up but never gave a full answer too. Should I use the part list he suggested, my part list or just a new part list that you would recommend?? Should I start with 2x4GB RAM or 2x8GB RAM? Should I go with the Ryzen 1600 or go with what I originally wanted to (Ryzen 1500X/1400). And the main question of this post... Would upgrading my CPU be worth it??
 

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Upgrade definitely worth it. You current cpu is weaker than old Intel Ivy-Bridge cpu, the Ryzen are equitable to Intel Haswells. About 40% stronger performance in gaming ability.

With a fixed budget, a stronger cpu outweighs the minor difference in ram size. 8gb is a minimum recommendation, you can run windows and just about every game on 8Gb, especially at 1080p. If you were wanting a top end build with crossfire or sli gpus on a 4k monitor, the yes 16Gb would be advisable, but for your pc 8Gb is fine, most games won't use that much, you might see 50-70% usage at best.

2 threads in 2 cores is much stronger than 2 threads in 1 core. Knowing this, a 1500x is 4c/8t or basically a Haswell i7, like the older i7-4770k. The 1600 has 6c/12t. So in games like Witcher 3 or GTA:V that can and do make use of 8 threads, a 1500x is topped out with the 4 core strength splitting to 8 threads. The 1600 not only brings a full 4 cores alone, but only 2 cores are split into 4 threads. This can be huge in fps difference when the core bandwidth is saturated. It's close to having an i5-4670k plus an extra i3 helping. Worth the difference? Yes, many times over.

Ram is an easy swap, takes seconds and there's no guess work, no mess, no wondering if you got the paste on right or the possibility of bending a pin or 3. Once seated, a cpu is best left alone, it's not the easiest swap there is. Most will replace an entire build and never once have upgraded the cpu. New ram by comparison is child's play. And relatively inexpensive overall.

As to the mobo, that's a personal decision. I own an MSI mobo, love it. It has 4x ram slots and 2x8Gb ram. If I was to add ram, I'd buy a whole new kit, either 4x8Gb or 2x16Gb. I'd not just add more. The chips on the stick all come from the same batch of silicon. As do the chips on the other stick. Silicon isn't pure, it does have impurities. The ram itself has more than just the 5 numbers of primary timings you can usually see, like 9-9-9-27 1T. There's also secondary and tertiary timings, over 30 in all and all those have to be compatible, as well as the impurities of the silicon, or you have issues. Sometimes it's a simple voltage bump, sometimes system agent needs adjusting, sometimes the ram only runs at 1 speed slower or very relaxed timings, if it works at all. I've had 2 sticks of identical ram, from different batches, same vendor, timings, speeds, voltage, even color was exact, only difference was the batch number. They worked great alone, but would not work together. At all. I've had ram of total difference work great together. There's simply no guarantee at all. So even if you decided to get the mobo with 4 slots, later added another 8Gb of ram, there's no telling if it'll work. If it doesn't, you send it back and hope the next replacements do. Again they might not. Crap shoot. So best bet is alway buy a new kit. Factory tested, guaranteed to work. You want 16Gb? You buy 16Gb, sell old 8Gb on eBay. So a 2x ram slot mobo with 32Gb capability is just fine. So is a 4slot 64Gb capability. Thats not a question. The only question should be does it have what I want. Audio, Sata, USB, m.2, colors, leds, whatever.
 
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DudeRed

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Thank you for going above and beyond with your answer! This will definitely help me when I choose what parts I want for my CPU upgrade! Again, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! :D