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awmslayer

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I've gone through a lot of threads and research about this and I'm still not sure why people are saying it's a colossal waste. Everyone is just saying overkill this, overkill that, and then saying going for a 1070 or 1060 will be the better choice.

But I'm still not convinced since according to benchmarks comparing 1080ti, 1080, and 1070 cards, the 1080ti is the best in providing the most fps in 1080p, 1440p, and 4k.

How can people say it it overkill when in some games it can't even reach 144 or even 120 fps on 1080p? If the 1080ti can't, how much more with a 1070 or a 1060?

I'm currently planning on building a rig with an Asus Strix 1080Ti, i7 7700k with a VG248QE 24" 1080p 144hz monitor. I just want clarifications so I can make sure before finally building this.
 
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"How can people say it it overkill when in some games it can't even reach 144 or even 120 fps on 1080p? If the 1080ti can't, how much more with a 1070 or a 1060?"
there's 3 main reason for this:
1. CPU bottleneck, which explains why the lower tier GPU will perform better, since the bottleneck would be lesser
2. unoptimized game, happens on early access games most of the time
3. the game is a pure heavy AAA title bastard (a game with large map and LOD probably) where even with a great CPU, the game would still be pretty heavy [this one is however is very unlikely, unless the devs are aiming only for rich people market]
4. an unofficial reason: u're not willing to step the settings down even though u know that the rig barely manage to handle it (this can be fixed by changing your willingness, but it's very unlikely to happen on high-end community)

u're right when u say some games can't reach the refresh rate of your monitor, however, how many games needs that much horse power? 10 out of 100? those kind of games would probably sits near the 3rd point i mentioned, and all u have to do to get better fps is to dial down the settings (if getting higher fps than your refresh rate is your target anyway)
still, i'd say that build of yours is an overkill after all, that GPU is meant for 2k@144 / 4k@60, if u're going with 1080p, might as well get the ones with higher refresh rate

"But I'm still not convinced since according to benchmarks comparing 1080ti, 1080, and 1070 cards, the 1080ti is the best in providing the most fps in 1080p, 1440p, and 4k."
it's the best GPU to provide FPS because IT IS the best consumer GPU that exist right now... if it doesn't provide us with the best, why the heck would anyone buy it (at that price tag)....

people choose GPU based on the target of your gaming experience, if u want to experience a 1080p@144, u can get away with 1070/1080 and spend the extra money elsewhere, that's what people trying to tell u
people gets the 1080ti because it can do what the 1070/1080 can't, which is playing at 4k@60 at max settings
if u just want to show off, why don't u get a sport car instead XD
if u just want to spend your excess money, why don't u just give it to me instead XD i could always use some extra $

PS: get Ryzen if u want to build it now / wait for Coffelake, Kabylake is about to be cannibalized by it's new brother :eek: and the new brother will require a new chipset (the 3XX mobos)
 
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I have a few Computers here, i7-5930K @4.3Ghz & 2 GTX1080 8GB Sli, another i7-9530K @4.3Ghz with 2 R9 Fury-X 4GH HBM crossfire,a AMD Ryzen 7 -1800X @40-.0Ghz with 2 GTX980Ti's 6GB Sli & a i7-6700K with a GTX1080Ti 11.2GB, I only play on 4K screens at the max graphic settings The speed was the most importent question till this year, Now is it the Vram on the Card that matters. I have One game that eat 10GB Vram on my 11.2GB on my GTX1080Ti....and there are many new games now that needs more then 6GB Vram So, One GTX1080Ti with 11.2GB GDDR5X is the best for the Vram eater games.ONLY if you want the best of the best in advanced graphic settings @4K
 
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rich guy detected
i barely upgraded my G850 + GT 630 to i5 2400 + 1050ti, and here u are, with 4 monster PC XD
 
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Ok, I just got a 1080ti and have been going through my games, one by one, testing the performance. I came from a 980. Saying this card is overkill for 1080p is ridiculous. It absolutely depends on the game. I've seen some games dipping below 60fps in certain spots, at 1080p.
So no, this card will not crush every game at 1080p. Saying it's meant for 4k or even 2k at max settings is also ridiculous. Some games are just too demanding.

My system: i7 3820, 16GB ram, GTX 1080ti amp extreme, corsair tx850m psu.

Games that I've noticed dropping below 60fps ultra settings @ 1080p so far:

Crysis 3, far cry 3, far cry primal. Not many, I know, I'm still testing. Before anyone says it's a cpu bottleneck, considering I'm running a 3rd generation i7, it is not. I was running HWInfo and rivatuner to check my system, in game. Not one of the times my fps dropped below 60 was my cpu maxed out. In far cry 4, more specifically, in the main town Banapur, my fps was dropping to 55. One cpu thread was hitting around 95%, all other threads were between 45 and 60%, the gpu load, however, was 98%.

Considering this, how is the 1080ti considered overkill for 1080p?? Even if most games get better performance than these games, the fact that it is possible to get this card down to sub-60fps performance @1080p, on an older title says to me it is not overkill, let alone meant for 2k @ 144hz. I'm somewhat disappointed with my purchase at this point.
 
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constantine_99

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and why are u disappointed? u already got best of the best, if u're that disappointed, u can always send it to me, i'll accept it with open hands :)
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/337044-28-load-balance
might be the cuplrit, but who knows, imo, if ur CPU load is imbalance, while the GPU usage is high, i would say that's a bottleneck [since when i play games, all the 4 cores on my CPU would be utilized]

http://thebottlenecker.com/
use that, it might not be too accurate but should help u give the big picture [whether ur system bottlenecks or not], when i tried to check ur spec, it shows about 15% bottleneck, while it's pretty low, it also depends on program u use and stuff like that
[my old g850 + 1050ti was rated as 23% bottleneck, but u know what? the fps was barely half of what i get with my i5 2400 + 1050ti now, GTAV can't run smoothly above 30 fps with that old pentium, that's at 768p too]

also, why do we say it's an overkill? coz:
1. people won't buy a GPU priced at 700-800$ to play on 1080p only, there are a lot of other cheaper alternatives that can do that
2. that GPU, by all means, was originally advertised as a 2k@144 / 4k@60, even tomshardware describe it as that [or at least something like that]: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html
3. any kind of CPU [even the coffelake] imo will bottleneck the 1080ti @ 1080p, the higher resolution will shift the burden to the GPU instead of the CPU

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3192807/ultimate-bottlenecking-guide.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3391276/3820-sandy-bride-bottleneck-gtx-1080ti.html
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/245604-review-gtx-1080-ti-first-real-4k-gpu-drives-better-amd-intel
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3364285/gigabyte-x79-up4-3820-gtx-1080ti.html

if u see those post, most of them have something in common, 1080ti is an overkill, especially on lower target resolution.... it'll be bottlenecked even by most high end CPU nowdays at 1080p
 
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Well, my next purchase I was planning on making was a 1440p monitor. Perhaps it is in fact a bottleneck. Seeing the gpu almost maxed out while the cpu had most threads under-utilized, except for one, just seemed to me like the opposite of a cpu bottleneck. I hadn't considered the fact that my cpu was actually imbalanced. It for sure is. I ran the game again, this time paying closer attention to thread usage, and one is always maxed out, 95 - 98%, while most other threads are relatively low, even down in the teens.

Oddly enough, when I lower settings, my gpu load decreases, as expected, but the fps stays the same. I was also planning a full upgrade, after the holidays, to a 7700k. I sincerely hope it is a cpu bottleneck. No one wants their new 800$ gpu to underperform. Thank you for taking the time to respond to me :)
 
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Why people say its a waste is they have lower needs. A 1070 or 1080 can hold 144fps @ 1080p if you are happy to reduce game settings which most people are. However I have seen several game benchmarks showing a 1080Ti cannot hold a minimum of 144fps at max settings 1080p but for most people they don't care, they ether accept the drops or lower settings slightly. If you absolutely must run the highest setting while acheiving as close to 144fps minimum as you can then the 1080Ti makes sense but you should ask will you really notice the difference.
 
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it is indeed a cpu bottleneck when u lower down the settings and fps stays the same :) trust me, it also happens to me when i use my G850 + 1050ti, no matter what settings i use [very high to low], i can't play above 30 fps smoothly (30 below is fine, above that, stutter hell) now? mix of very high and high run smoothly on 50-70 fps :D
don't get 7700k btw, better go with something like i5 8600k / i7 8700k, both had more cores and can outperform the i7 7700k [seeing that most games right now still have utilize multithreading, it's pretty amazing tbh]
 
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I hate being a graphics *&^%*, I really do. The fact that everyone said this would crush 1080p, with games absolutely maxed, is the whole reason I paid a premium for the card. I don't mind lowering settings to get an acceptable framerate, but after reading about the card, and spending the money, I just really didn't think lowering settings is something I would have to worry about, using 1080p resolution, as this card should crush that. It doesn't, so now I'm questioning why I spent so much money on this card when I could have just stuck to my 980, since I'm going to be lowering the eye candy, anyway.

I know it sounds ridiculous to some, but damn, this card was expensive. I don't need 144hz, either. I would be happy with a stable 60fps, though 120fps, to match my monitor would be nice. I just assumed, after this card was being touted as 2k/144 that it would have no problem maxing current games @1080p, with at least 60fps. Maybe it's just the dunia engine, or perhaps what constantine said. I hope so. I tried the bottlenecker site, and it did indeed come up with a 15% bottleneck. I guess I'll know for sure when I get the 7700k. Here's hoping
 
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i7 8700k [the coffelake] requires Z chipset, while the only mobo around are the Z370 mobo, which means u'll be fine [those who want the locked coffelake though, suffers..., since either way they had to pay the premium for an unlocked mobo]

 
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Constantine, thanks for the links. I feel a lot better now. I looked at those charts and my cpu is listed in blue, meaning it is bottlenecking my card. I thought it might. I'm glad to see there is still hope for this card. You too, sizzling, thanks for the responses. Just need a mobo and processor now.
 
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seems like intel didn't make enough supply :(
there are a lot of videos about how this time of 2017 is a bad time to build ur own PC, well unfortunately by the looks of it, it's also bad for those who wants to upgrade too, u might gonna need to stick with your rig a little bit longer... either that or u can opt for AMD's Ryzen CPU

if 60 fps is your target later on, the Ryzen can easily do that too, but for 144 fps mark [ryzen can only do 120ish most of the time], u gonna need CPU with high IPC [read: Intel's CPU] meaning u would have to wait...



 
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