New pc, 7700k or 1700x/1800x , Gaming Streaming, or second PC ?

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Hello guys, my current system is this :
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I want to build a new system , my budget is around 1500€, it can go a little bit higher if i need.
I want to use my new system for gaming/streaming/recording (at the same time) + doing university work which is NOT pc specs demanding so don't even bother.

The main thing i need your help to sort out, is the cpu.
choice A ) 7 1700x/1800x and use the new pc for gaming and streaming/capturing !
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choice B) i7 7700k and use the old pc ( the one on the photo) as a capturing/streaming machine.

If i go to the ryzen , i lose single core performance and gain threads that i need for streaming.
If i go to the i7 , cpu will struggle doing everything at the same time compared to 1700x/1800x, so if i go with the i7 i guess i will need to keep the old pc as streaming/capture pc.

Both cpus will be matched with a 1080ti most probably or 1080 , depending on what i can afford .
Will be gaming @ 1440p and wish to broadcast 720p60 or even 1080p@30 or 60 , or something between 720 and 1080.
Games to be played/streamed are AAA titles. Players uknown battlegrounds etc etc.


So the main question is, choice A or choice B ? Will my old rig struggle if i just use it for capturing or i will be okay with that ?
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If you plan to overclock, then the 1700 is the way to go, however, you will need a CPU cooler anyways as the one it comes with is not for overclocking. If you do not plan to overclock, get the 1700X as it has not only a higher base clock but a higher boost clock as well. The Ryzen X models have a higher XFR boost than the non-X.

If you go with Threadripper or Intel over the 7700k, then you need to consider the extra cost of the platform, especially for Intel. The motherboards are more expensive and the coolers as well. Intel CPU's are harder to cool so the cost of a cooler will be higher. Basically, if you go this route, expect a much higher cost all the way around.

Basically: Not overclocking? 1700X. Overclocking? 1700.
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At 1440 rez and with streaming in mind I'd go directly for a Ryzen build.
If you're not adverse to a little overclocking, I'd go for a R7 1700, once tweaked it'll match the more expensive 1700x (at stock).
If you're not going to OC, the R7 1700X is an obvious choice, it doesn't need a huge amount of cooling either so any mid range tower cooler will get the job done very nicely.

No, I doubt that old Ivy Bridge will struggle as streaming/capture system, but it'll be a nice little med/high settings 1080 rig for someone else if you have no use for it.
 
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Ryzen isn't that far behind in performance to the i7-7700 in single threading. yes, it is slower, but not so much it isn't competitive. Now that I said that, the Ryzen is the direction I would personally go. It's the best bang for the buck and performs quite well actually. Either one should handle gaming and simultaneous streaming, although it may be simpler to stream and game on the same machine.
 
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For the simplest setup, get Ryzen. Yes, you lose single core performance, but it's minor and will be totally unnoticeable. A lot of people don't understand that the difference is not night and day, it's a minor reduction.

The simpler the setup, the fewer things that can go wrong for you. Running 2 systems as you suggest just overly complicates things for a single core performance gain of about 10% average.

I suggest getting the 1700x and OC it if so inclined. There is pretty much no difference between the 1700x and 1800x other than base clock speed and the 2 have been shown to OC to equal levels.
 
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So i see from everybody's comments 1700 or 1700x would be the best solution , value for money and simpler to use the same machine than use a second pc as capture system. It might kind of throw me out of budget, but what if i7 7820x was also an option ?
 
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The issue with the i7-7820x is they can't keep themselves all that cool. Intel cheaped out with the TIM, so they don't cool as well as they should. If you really want to go HEDT, I'd consider the Thread Ripper 1900X instead, but the 1700X is probably all you'll need with a good cooler.
 
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1900x is 8/16. Same as 1700x , only with a 3.8 clock. So if its easy to oc the 1700 or 1700x , i guess thats what im going for. 1700 or 1700x ? does the x have a bigger oc headroom than the 1700 , to justify the 40€ more. Or its the same, but it just comes with higher clock out of the box ?
 
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Basically the 1700x comes with a higher clock out of the box. Also the 1700 comes with a cooler, the 1700x does not. It's a decent cooler, but it won't win any awards for a high overclock.
 
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If you plan to overclock, then the 1700 is the way to go, however, you will need a CPU cooler anyways as the one it comes with is not for overclocking. If you do not plan to overclock, get the 1700X as it has not only a higher base clock but a higher boost clock as well. The Ryzen X models have a higher XFR boost than the non-X.

If you go with Threadripper or Intel over the 7700k, then you need to consider the extra cost of the platform, especially for Intel. The motherboards are more expensive and the coolers as well. Intel CPU's are harder to cool so the cost of a cooler will be higher. Basically, if you go this route, expect a much higher cost all the way around.

Basically: Not overclocking? 1700X. Overclocking? 1700.
 
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I havent ever oc'ed any cpu but yes, i do intend to, so i am going with 1700 then. I am thinking of combinining the 1700 with asus rog crosshair vi hero. Regarding cooling, i think a AIO like corsair h110i should do the job just fine.
 
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Sounds good, just make sure the cooler is compatible with the socket and that there is a record of it working well with Ryzen. IMO, ASUS is the best motherboard manufacturer out there. In 22 years, I've only had 1 ASUS motherboard have issues and they expedited the RMA process for me so there was only a short down time.
 
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Thank you all for you contribution guys. U have helped me make my mind. Ill end up with the 1700 and not the 1700x, putting the extra bucks of the 1700x in a good cooler so i can oc the 1700. Ill most probably pair it togather with the asus crosshair vi hero as i said above.
 
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