Noises & Vibration coming from Internal HDD when scrolling, exploring navigating - Normal or not?

Ransome · Sep 18, 2017

It's hard to explain.
I went into my hard disk drive tonight, and was looking for a picture to set a picture password. My system is on my SSD and thus quiet - but the pictures (which are quite heavy) are stored on the HDD.
As I scrolled the long folder which contained many photos - I noticed that the hard-disk was making whining/grinding noises as I scrolled the folder down and up.
Best way to recreate this was opening a folder with many folders (4000 images for ie). Then scroll mildly fast down from top to bottom and back.
As I scroll down the HDD makes this... how should I put it:
*thurrrrrd-rrrrrruhh...rrrrruhhd.....* accompanied by physical knocking if I touch the HDD.

I can also describe the noise and vibrations/knocking as "sandy" it feels like something grinds.
The physical knocking is tangible but not really hearable. It feels like a soft bump if you touch the HDD.
The noise is like: *vvvvveeerrzzzeeechhhhh* .
Reminds me of old computers processing as a child

If I stop scrolling it stops - almost instantly.
Seems that the faster I scroll over lots of data the harder the vibrations/grinding and louder the noise.
If I continue scrolling or scroll back - even to already "discovered" and revealed images (the ones on top which the PC/HDD managed to show up in the thumbnail) - the noises will continue.

So I opened my side panel of the case and leaned low and scrolled my mouse up and down repeatedly on the folder with pictures.
The humming/grinding/whining/rotter/motor noises are more prominent when the case is opened.
I tried holding the HDD with my fingers firmly and saw it didn't silence it.
However as I scroll and touch the harddisk - I can also feel vibrations and "knocking" on my fingers.
as if I can feel the spinning plates and they occasionally shock/knock and vibrate the thin metal casing of the HDD.
My HDD is 2 TB WD Black (internal HDD). It's several years old now, but wasn't used that frequently.

I think I always had these humming, but it could just be me sitting in my room at 02:00 am in complete silence that I noticed these sounds and humming/chirping/whining more than usual.

These noises also occur when moving into folders rapidly and out.
For instance going into the folder and navigating to Steam Library and then into big games.

Don't have any other issues so far though.

Ransome · Sep 18, 2017

Just wanted to add that this humming/chirping/rotor noises and vibrations are quite prominent with the case door open when I ran Chkdsk and when I Optimized (Defrag) the drive.
Putting my finger on it as it defrags you can feel repeated hammering and shakiness within. And the noise is again that grindy *thuurrrr* and *zzhhdd* as usual.
Chkdsk /f came out clean. It seems. Didn't restart the pc or anything too.

This can be 100% normal with WD Black HDD for all I know, I'm just trying to make sure. As to be prepared. I can hear the noise over my case and cpu/gpu/mobo fans too.

Ralston18 · Sep 18, 2017

My thought is that the drive is failing.

Or going to fail very soon.

Treat the drive gently - no more fast scrolling etc..

Make sure that you have copied off any important data if you do not already have such copies.

Run the manufacturer's (WD) diagnostic software.

Please remember that anything you do may cause loss of data and/or damage.

Ransome · Sep 19, 2017

Ralston18 :

I just ran WD Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - "Quick Test".
The result was a "PASS" with a checkmark.

I can run the extended too, later. If it's safe.

What makes you think the drive is failing?
Like I said, these noises are somewhat familiar.
Are you positive these are not normal behaviors of a HDD? What would be normal? Because I understand that HDDs do make noises and vibrations, when operating and seeking files, don't they?

How would you suggest backuping up the files? And with what?

This is really a frustrating dilemma, if my internal drive is now at risk of failing, since I also had an older version of Western Digital External Elements 2 TB Drive (Green drive inside) - which also instantly died after working 100% fine for a while.
I ordered "Western Digital My Passport 1 TB" (2016 model) from Amazon.com a few days before finding out about my current "issue" with the Internal WD Black drive.
Now I feel like WD might not be a safe company for HDDs, internal or external.
So how do I make proper backup/s ? With what hardware and brand?
If WD are not reliable enough to depend on...
I heard Seagate have even greater failure rate. And pretty much every company and hdd model has failure rates - if you check reviews and feedback - everything HDD can die on you.

Off topic- I plan on buying a big Samsung SSD, I would have liked to remove the HDD from the PC, but frankly storing high quality pictures and data takes a lot of space on the drive, it would a shame and inefficient to have so much space taken from the SSD just for that...

Ralston18 · Sep 19, 2017

Signs of failure: noise, vibration. Especially when under load.

Yes, HDD's can be noisy and vibrate some especially when spinning up. Your description gave me the impression that the problems were on the "failure" side and not the "normal" side.

Listen to other HDD's and try to compare the sound and vibration levels.

As you are probably aware many products are being made as cheaply as possible sans any testing or meaningful QA. Compare a drive (or even some other component) with its counterpart from just 2 or 3 years ago. Nothing is being made to last and, in fact (being cynical) designed to fail. Money is made by selling replacement units...

Check the HDD's physical installation. Are some of the installation screws loose, overtight, or all in varying degrees of "tightness"? Look at the overall case and assembly - could be resonance with another component - a fan most likely.

Is the drive installed level and not tilted one way or another? Nothing touching it but the mounting connections.

As for backups there are any number of ways to do them. Directly via drag and drop, using the command prompt (DOS, Powershell), using Windows itself, or a third party application.

The destination backup drive could be anywhere on your network: another computer, a NAS, a flash drive on the router (not recommended for much beyond some short term requirement), or a USB external drive on your computer.

Backup your backups and verify that all backups work. I.e., you can restore your system or at least recover your data.

Depending on the setup you can manually launch backups or automate them as necessary to keep up with your work rate.

I normally keep images or clones of my working drives on other drives that are then disconnected and stored - just in case....

All SSD's except 2 HDD's. One HDD cased external USB and the other HDD is naked but kept in a anti-static bag. No TB range drives except for a NAS drive which is 1 TB.

Make yourself a Windows Recovery disk.

Simply google words such as "how to do backups" - look for current (within the last year or so) articles and tutorials. Some are simply disguised advertisements but you may learn some things from them or get additional ideas.

WD vs Seagate vs PNY vs "Brand X"?

Will not take a side there. Any given product can fail just as a statistical matter. MTBF (Meantime Between Failures) is a measurement often touted. Usually determined in ideal circumstances and often just an extension of some short term activities and measurements.

Read product reviews such as the ones within this forum, visit manufacturer's websites - check FAQs and their forums. Read User Guides/Manuals.

Still, even with the most careful decision and selection there is no rule preventing any given drive from failing at any given moment.

Minimize the risks - maximize the recovery options.

Ransome · Sep 19, 2017

Ralston18 :

Oh man, that's a lot of info. Will try to reply to it gradually after a few careful readings when I got more time.
Thank you.

You notes about the Hard-disk positioning and physical casing made me think.
I did make a change quite recently (few months ago). It could be that the noise is temporary and due to the current state, I wonder?
Here is how the HDD was set before - slotted in a drive-cage:

Now I took out the cage a few months back to clear out room, open the case up and the front fan for more airflow:

I basically used the trays from the cages, places the tray with SSD on top the tray with HDD, hooked them up together onto the plastic platform/"stage" -the one the drive-cage gets mounted on regular.

You think something here might be causing noise/vibrations or any kind of issues with the parts? Was thinking about bringing back the case's drive-cage.
What do you mean by resonance with another part, such as the fan?

By the way, I have ran the Extended WD LifeGuard test, took over 4 hours. Got a green PASS. Seems the drive passed with any issues, actions or bad sectors.
Does it mean anything good?

Ralston18 · Sep 19, 2017

Resonance is when vibrations (waves) begin to overlap themselves and create even higher waves. Which cause more vibration, even higher waves until it all falls apart.

A common and dramatic example is the Tacoma Narrows Bridge; easily found and viewed on YouTube.

There are any number of videos and explanations available.

If the HDD(s) and/or fan all find their way into some resonance (oscillating) pattern then it could get quite noisy and damaging.

Those tie wraps really caught my eyes.

The tie wraps are not going to properly restrain the HDD(s) from movement. I.e., vibration, resonance...

And you may not have proper separation between the drives for cooling.

There may be some accumulating damage taking place and the noises are the warning signs.

Check the case and drive specs for mounting and cooling guidance.

Go back to the original configuration - hopefully that will end the noise and vibration.

Revisit cooling and airflow options. Airflow is important but just "open" may not be enough.

The direction and volume of airflows within the case are also important to direct air movement in a manner to carry away heat.

Also not good to have some component get very hot before cooling becomes effective and then the component is suddenly cooled.

Fan slows or stops - component heats up again. Repeat. Thermal cycle.

Ransome · Sep 19, 2017

Ralston18 :

Thank you. I am going to install the lower drive-cage again and see if it helps. Might just ease me mind knowing it's back to its old proper self.
I'm actually playing with the idea of removing the HDD altogether, and buying a 1 TB SSD - although that won't really replace a 2 TB Storage HDD drive, I think.
You said you don't have internal HDDs? How big are you SSDs?

Ralston18 · Sep 19, 2017

Correct - no internal HDDs. As for SSDs' - fair question.

I currently use 120 GB SSDs but have one 240 GB SSD that will probably be placed into "C:" drive use soon. Made a 120 GB --> 240 GB test clone to try out. Just have not gotten around to installing it yet. (The 240 GB was originally intended for and used as backup to backup storage. An archive of sorts.)

Another 120 GB SSD is in a SATA enclosure and can be connected anywhere needed via USB.

I prefer smaller, less expensive SSDs for three reasons: 1) prefer to have as few "eggs in the basket" as possible, 2) SSD's run quieter, cooler, and need less power (compared to HDDs), and 3) I do not download much nor play a lot of games. And only use a few particular applications and tools for that matter - lots of drive space is not a requirement for me and I try to maintain the necessary discipline and not "hoard" downloads, old documents, etc..

Plus smaller SSDs tended to be less expensive than their bigger siblings. Especially with sales and/or rebates.

However (full disclosure) I am finding that the 120 GB drives are getting crowded. And it is becoming more difficult to keep at least 20% of the drive space available at any given time. (Hence the 240 GB clone.) In the process of purging and off-loading files of all sorts. On-going rainy day project.

I do have three HDD's - one in a NAS ( actually a 1 TB WD Live Book) and a second HDD in a USB 3.0 enclosure (500 GB). The third HDD is my "floater" (also 500 GB). Naked and just kept in an anti-static bag and connected via a USB/SATA adapter (with external power) when and where needed.

And a handful of inexpensive flash drives of varying sizes.

The two 500 GB HDD's were salvaged from older systems and re-purposed. One was configured with FreeNAS for awhile. May be reincarnated.

Not a fan of "cloud storage" so nothing stored online. Or at least knowingly so.

I recently gave away one system and doing some general revamping to further simplify what I have to maintain and protect.

Less is better for me nowadays.

Ransome · Sep 19, 2017

Hey buddy.
I set the drive-cage back into place and rearranged the wires and stuff.
I made some scrolling and navigating tests and the drive is still making some noises. I am starting to believe it is normal. It is hard to say to be honest.
So I've recorded a short video clip, for the lack of a better way to record audio properly, hopefully you can listen and tell me what you think - If it's a normal sound or not:
https://youtu.be/tlYaWRU-6tA

Will try to reply to your post and information later. Thanks.

Ralston18 · Sep 19, 2017

For the most part the drive sounds normal to me.

Excluding some thumps and thuds - are those from the drive or just from moving the microphone around?

Some microphones are very sensitive and pick up any little touch or bump.

The following link may help you further access the situation:

http://datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php

Ransome · Sep 19, 2017

Ralston18 :

The video came out very noisy the first clanks are from the real wood - wooden table flexing back and forth since I leaned on it (it's perfectly normal they do it all the time). Then the big crash is me hitting the chair haha and finally those occasional bumps and thuds sound like something from the phone or the environment. It's definitely not from the drive. The humming is obviously the case fans.
Now the hard drive sound is really hard to hear - but if you put your ear next to the phone/headphone and listen to the last third of the video you can hear it.
It sounds like low grinding/crackling/purring continous noise. Reminds me of something underwater or old pc processing.

How do you mount all of your SSDd by the way?
You think I would be fine putting mine in the cage (if I gonna remove the HDD like I plan to) - or should I just double -tape them somewhere or something?
Thanks.
And thanks for all the help. Gotta go to sleep now, long day tomorrow, later.

Ransome · Sep 20, 2017

Heya!
About my noisy HDD:
Went through all of the WD noise recordings and none of them were similar or even remotely resembled the noise I hear.
I am starting to think the drive might either:
1) work this way normally, and I am just sensitive to the sound, and that's the normal WD Black noise (at least from this year).
2) Got old or worn - but not necessarily "dying". Just old and less "greasy" and therefore it makes some whining / grinding / underwater continuous noise when fetching and displaying files, defragging, and so on. Which is irritating nonetheless.

I don't know if you noticed my post update a few posts above - but I've ran both Quick and Extended (4 hours long) tests and both came out as PASS. Also ran DSKCHK and no issues detected. So for what it's worth - that part has been cleared of doubts at least, with good results.

Still, I think I will remove the HDD, and keep it as external drive. Go SSD only.
I have another 1 TB WD Black (much older) which I salvaged from an old PC. That drive is also kept at 2nd "worst case" backup.
I've ordered this USB HDD/SSD dock from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Docking-Supporting-Capacity/dp/B0099TX7O4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505887878&sr=1-1&keywords=usb+dock+hdd+cable+matters
Which I will use to plug in the HDD to transfer and access files. Then I will simply store the drive and the dock away.
I will however need to provide proper Power Adapter (to supply external power) since this model is US standard. I believe I have a few spare adapters that will fit.
With this dock - I plan to use both the relatively "new" but noisy 2 TB HDD drive and the old salvaged 1 TB HDD as storage drives.

I've also ordered a white 1 TB Western Digital My Passport (2016) from Amazon.com:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LQQHI74/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
This will be my main backup and storage drive.
If "My Passport" ends up working fast and conveniently as the positive reviews suggest - I will perhaps buy another so I will have 2 storage/backup drives. Plug & Play via USB 3.0. People report them being fast for 5400 drives and easy to use. I want simplicity and comfort. So that appeal to me the most. Of course I won't keep the drive connected.

The main stuff I want to store and backup are, in fact, pictures and videos. Stuff that I took with my phone/camera throughout the years, such as vacation trips and travels and daily shots. These family/personal memories and places I've been too are the most precious, priceless "data" - treasures I must keep.
Additionally - music. Which I've ripped to high quality MP3 from original CD albums in the past. Anything else is replaceable.

I've also bought a Micro SD to USB 3.0 Adapter. Which I will use to transfer phone pictures and music from 1 micro SD to another.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FJRS8F8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Then I can keep my old Micro SDs (32 GB, 64 GB) as minor backup/storage Micro SDs - which would work just as well, using the adapter. I have found that transferring files using a USB cable by connecting a phone to the USB 3.0 takes forever - probably the Phone is bottle-necking -so when you try to copy your thousands of phone photos to the PC or anywhere else - it can take hours.
However using a SD-USB adapter which I borrowed from someone, it takes about a 1/4 if not less of the same time!!! It's much faster, and safer: less prone to disconnections and issues. And you can still use your phone in the meantime if you wish.

Furthermore I've bought a SanDisk 128GB 3.0 Ultra Fast USB 3.0 Flash Drive (up to 150MB/s write).
As well as a new Samsung 128GB super fast Micro SD to replace my current 64 GB:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XWZWYVP/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Finally I've just purchased a 1 TB Samsung EVO 850 from Amazon.
I plan on buying another 512 or 1 TB SSD - depending on the price - from Amazon.com - during Black Friday / Ciber Monday / holidays. Hopefully the prices will go down significantly enough. That way I will have:
1) 1st SSD: 256 GB Crucial: for Windows 10 and some games and applications.
2) 2nd SSD: 1 TB Samsung 850 EVO: for gaming. Which I will install Steam and GOG on.
3) And a 3rd SSD (Samsung 850 EVO) - for storage mostly (screenshots, photos, some applications, downloads and drivers).

The 2nd SSD will serve as storage in the meanwhile until I hopefully get a 3rd.

As you might have figured out- I'm down and sick of Hard Drives by now!

As for SSD mounting:
I've re-positioned my drive cage on the platform in-front of the fan.
I will need to acquire 4 tiny screws to mount the SSDs to the tray. My 256 Crucial M4 SSD (which works very well since 2011 imo) came with 4 screws that fit the 4 holes on the tray (that holds HDDs usually). My case is Corsair 660 T Graphite Special Edition White. Beautiful stuff.

SSD drives don't really generate heat. So I wonder if I should remove it and mount the SSDs in a different manner. I don't feel like messing and handling this any further though. I heard you can use double-sided tape/Velcro to plaster the SSDs to the case's frame back (behind mobo or to the case's doors). It sounds like a horrible idea to me: especially since tape has a tendency to go smeary, yellowish and super sticky - and leave ugly sticky residue FOREVER basically. It can only get worse with heat. What do you think?
At anyrate..about airflow and cooling - HEAT is going to be an issue when you live in a hot, dusty and humid coastal country: AKA ISRAEL baby! in an old house.
In the summer an AC is virtually a must (highly recommended at least) when playing demanding games, especially at 4K. That helps - a bit. But I can't really afford to have AC working all the time, even in the hottest most humid of days. I also dislike having AC working none-stop and closing the house/room like that for long periods.

Thanks for taking your time reading and helping out. If you have anything else to recommend or suggest, please do.

Ralston18 · Sep 20, 2017

No tape or Velcro. That is a horrible idea. Okay for some short term testing perhaps but not inside a closed case.

Keep it all as simple as possible. Use the supplied brackets and/or adapters.

You may be able to scrounge brackets and screws from other systems. Check with family and friends if necessary.

Be careful with the tiny screws. Pre-test the screws first by screwing them into the SSD. If they do not easily screw into place then it could be the wrong size or thread. No forcing or going off at some angle. Be gentle and use the proper screwdriver head.

For the most part I those 3 1/2" to 2 1/2" adapter bars to mount SSDs in a 3 1/2" bay. Orientation can be a bit tricky so plan it all out before hand.

SSDs do generate heat but if the SSD is properly mounted the heat is dissipated. They (as do most electronic devices) will get warm then hot sans appropriate cooing.

Ransome · Sep 21, 2017

Ralston18 :

Yeah, like I said, I thought the Velcro/Tape was a horrible idea, glad to hear it's not just me.

So about mounting the SSD.
I have a Corsair 660T Graphite White.
The cages look like this
The tray itself has 4 holes in the right quarter
And you put 4 super tiny flat head and flat tip screws to mount the SSD there, like this:

Now, I am not sure, but I believe my Crucial M4 256 GB SSD actually came with these 4 tiny screws (along 4 holes to put them into).
However I checked some unboxing videos of: SAMSUNG EVO 850 - and for some bizarre reason Samsung does not seem to provide these 4 crucial screws.
No it's an utterly MIND BOGGLING decision to omit these 4 totally essential screws. You have 4 holes for screw placement, but you don't pack the box with at least 4-8 of them?

However I've checked in my motherboard box where I stored all sort of extra accessories from when I assembled the early build of my PC and I think I found a small - but very elusive - plastic bag with these tiny flat screws.
I wouldn't be able to tell for sure, until I actually obtain the SSD physically, and proceed to install it.
UPDATE: OK I took out the SSD from the PC and checked the sizes of screws. It seems the screws I have found are indeed of the same size and shape. Hopefully that will cover it. Lol... one of those little "bag of wonders" pieces that you find YEARS after you bought the thing.. lol.

Can't wait for Amazon to finally deliver the EVO 850! :bounce:

Like you suggest, I plan to keep it simple. I've replaced my cage into the former position. And while it does block the Corsairs case's front intake fan a bit - I think it is better this way.

That cage will allow me to mount at least 1 more SSD (it has sliders for 3 trays) if/when I get a 3rd one (hopefully during Black Friday sales for a good price drop).

What brands of SSDs do you have and did you feel any difference between them?
Also, did you ever bother installing benchmark apps for drives like crystalmark to measure their performance?
I've come to believe that it's best avoiding the hassle and worries, and simple not bother with all the benchmarking (READ/WRITE speeds, etc) applications - because the truth is - there are no set in stone read/write speeds in particular, or performance of Hardware X in general. It depends on so many things with nearly infinite variations that trying to compare performance with "information Y" is a wild goose chase.
What do you think about that?

Ralston18 · Sep 21, 2017

SSDs = Kingston, PNY, Sony.

Have not noticed any differences other than they are faster and quieter than the HDD's which is, of course, expected.

And I do tend to save all the small screws etc. that I can - prefer to use older products whenever needed. The newer screws tend to be soft and often easily strip out no matter what is being put together. Always pre-thread the screws outside of the case or bracket before final assembly.

Interesting that the holes are in the right quarter. There was a time when I would have drilled my own holes to center the SSD up. However, unless there is some specific requirement for centering would and will now leave things as they are. "Never let form get in the way of function" is one of my rules.

I look for sales and have learned that any good product can turn sour for any number of reasons.

Or just bad luck with any given purchase. I keep receipts and return to the POS if there is a problem.

I tend to be skeptical of most product reviews by nature and over the last few years even more so. So many reviews are simply disguised advertisements if looked at closely. At least some of them are now being labeled as such: "Infomercials".

Generally only read reviews etc. when I am actively looking for a product. I also visit the manufacturer's websites and read FAQs and forums.

Plus the User Guide/Manuals, Quick Start documents, warranties, and perhaps any related white papers can be revealing. The latter of course are biased - but may contain good background information and diagrams.

A website that makes it hard to find a rebate form or an RMA, for example, is a negative in my mind.

Tends to provide a rather good sense of how well they truly support their products and customers.

Benchmarks are important. Some things must simply perform - e.g., military specs. If the benchmarks are not met then the end results may be tragic.

One of my pet peeves is companies claiming that they meet or met all Federal requirements.... Those "requirements" are often brought about by lobbyists with campaign contributions. Further comment on my part would probably be pushing the "No GRAPES" rule within this forum.

So will leave things at that.

Tom's Hardware is a good site for reviews and product information. Will peruse various items as requirements, interests, and time warrant.

Ransome · Sep 22, 2017

So you drilled holes into your trays? They don't/didn't offer SSD mounting variation?

What's your pc current CASE btw?
I just hope the Sam EVO 850 holes are at the same size standardas my old Crucial M4.

Can you recommend a simple SSD benchmarking tool (s) and process?
I've read AS SSD and Crystalmark are the best.
Again I don't wish to spend too much thought and time on this. Just enough to make sure everything is 100%.
Plus I'm located in Israel - buy & ship internationally from Amazon.com. RMA from the brand not an option. But Amazon has an excellent - if not the very best - Customer Service in the world.

I agree that no hardware model / brand /manufacturer is safe.
There's always some bad models among the good ones - and it's a matter of luck too.

Reviews can tell you a lot, even though I sometimes just breeze through them.
I tend to trust Amazon user reviews/ratings - as you can tell they are actual user reviews, from the wording, phrasing and language used. Besides Amazon verify purchases. Also users can update their review if the device fails after a while.

Samsung EVO 850 seems to be quite possibly - the best, high performing, cost effective, no nonsense - SSD. And I tend to love Samsung products as a whole.
So hopefully everything goes according to plan, and works fine for me.

That's why I'd like to have a simple quick benchmark just to make sure everything is performing as fast as it should - by the specs.

Didn't fully understand that "NO GRAPES" part.

Thanks mate. Have an awesome day

Ralston18 · Sep 22, 2017

In the past, I have drilled holes and made other modifications with respect to computers and other things as well. Re-purpose and saves money.

Cases are just generic and salvaged via friends, family, "dumpster diving", and "curb collection".

I generally do not bother with benchmarking per se. May occasionally run a test of some sort from time to time. But only if there is some particular reason or interest at hand. Most benchmarking is done under ideal laboratory circumstances that cannot be matched in a home or business environment.

And it is all too easy to get wrapped up into "chasing the needle". Swapping out a GPU for example to gain maybe just a few more fps's.

Expense with no real noticeable gain in performance.

As of late I have been using Amazon user reviews and ratings to check products. Often narrows down the product possibilities. Or I find that Product X will not work for me because of Reason Y. Devil is in the details as they say.

If you like the EVO 850 and it meets your requirements then go for it. If it does the job you expect - the benchmarks are rendered somewhat moot.

As for "NO GRAPES" forum rules prohibit discussions/comments etc. regarding Guns, Religion, Abortion, Politics, Environment, and Sex.

And the moderators do watch for and enforce (rightly so) that rule along rules about profanity, abuse, advertising, and posting of personal information.

Keeps the forum in very good order. There are some forums out there, even at manufacturer's websites, that quickly degenerate into useless babble, insults, etc.. Trolls and Haters abound.

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