Is my PC setup good?

pRonOoBGR

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Hello guys, I was looking to upgrade my PC System. I care about playing games at 1080p, 60fps, 60hz. I'd like to play most MP (but SP also), on medium/high(even ultra if it is possible), and I was thinking about these:

CPU: i7-7700(non K) *
MOBO: Gigabyte or Asus near 80-100 euros
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX1060 6GB G1 Gaming OR MSI gtx 1060 ARMOR
RAM: HyperX Fury 8GB DDR4-2133MHz x2
Power Suply: 550W

*: I am not buying K version, cause I'm not interesting OC, also MOBO will be more expensive and probably I'd have to buy an expensive cooler.

Also, I live in Greece which means on Summer, temps are high(I've got air codition on my room, but that's not going to help much), so I was thinking of buying Cryorig H7 or CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO

I also waiting for i7-8700 release to compare and find out what I should do.
What's your opinion guys? I hope this system to last about 3-4 years at least.
 
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I keep posting this video but well I have to when it shows a ryzen 1600 putting up a proper fight with a 7700k clocked at close to 5ghz.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8K2yc11eC4"][/video]

& I known it doesn't relate directly to your build list & requirements but it shows the ryzen chips have nothing in common with amd CPU's of old.


Either way steer clear of straight quad cores if you want a build that won't need upgrading in a couple of years.
The locked i5's are showing their weakness in a fair few current titles , the 7600k only does well because its a massive overclocker & its single core performance is so strong.

The 7700 is still a great CPU at the end of the day if you must go intel BUT so is the ryzen 1600 , it's also cheaper & should to all in intents offer much...

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Make sure the mobo is 1511 socket type and other than that its pretty good, I'd shoot for the k verison of the CPU 1. its more stable, and 2. if you ever decide to overclock its easier (Trust me you would say your not gonna oc but your gonna think about it)
 

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An i7 is total overkill IF you are solely looking to game, especially at 1080p@60fps. So my suggestion is to save around 100€ and go for something along the lines of an i5 7600. As for the MoBo I personally really like Asus, just personal preference, as I never experienced any issues with their boards, but that's up to you. The GTX 1060 should handle all games no problem at that resolution and the PSU is ok as well. As for the cooler, the cooling performance always depends on the outside temperatures, so if the ambient temps rise your core temps will rise as well, no matter what cooler you're using.
As for the 3-4 yrs lifespan, it is going to be a tough one, although at your preferred resolution it might be a bit more forgiving, but if you can find a GTX 1070 for the money that you'd save on the CPU or a bit more, that might give you a bit more of an edge in time. Cheers!
 

pRonOoBGR

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Should I buy 600W+ ?


Yes I know about the mobo. About K version now, I have never OC any CPU in my life, and with temps here in my country, I will have to buy for sure, a good cooler to keep my pc on "safe" temps. I own i5-4670K right now, with stock cooler(I think Intel's fan sucks, that's what I have read :D ) and while playing PUGB, the max temp that CPU got is 80C. I also read about 7th gen CPU that they are kind of "warm". Especially K version, that's why I don't know if I should go for K or not. TL;DR K version in my country is 45-50euros more expensive than non K. A good cooler costs about 110+ euros, and Z mobos same as well. So I have to find out what to do etc. Thanks for your opinion by the way.


Many people suggsted me to change platform(i5 --> i7 or Ryzen-but I don't trust AMD).
I'm totally newbiew with PC hardware so, I don't know if i5-7th gen is better than older i5-Old gens. About GPU I know that it will last at least 2-3 years, then I'm thinking of selling it, and buy new one.(Prob-Nvidia Volta new gpus in near future). I'll consider this..


Thanks guys for your opinions!
 


About 25-33% of new games make significant use of more than four threads, and the trend is accelerating. the 7700/7700K is widely considered the ideal chip for a pure gaming system right now.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-review,5009-4.html

You can see the I7 has a significant lead in GTA V, Civ VI, Project Cars, Hitman, and Ashes of the Singularity, which is 5 of the 9 games tested.

P.S. I'm really pleased with the Ryzen I have, but I wouldn't recommend it for a pure gaming system. I game on it, but, I really needed the extra threads for my DAW and VM's
 

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About 25-33% of new games make significant use of more than four threads, and the trend is accelerating. the 7700/7700K is widely considered the ideal chip for a pure gaming system right now.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cp...

You can see the I7 has a significant lead in GTA V, Civ VI, Project Cars, Hitman, and Ashes of the Singularity, which is 5 of the 9 games tested.

Ok, but that begs the question: Which games do you usually play? And since he is sticking to 1080p@60fps, he really will not benefit at all from the extra cores, as even the i5 4670k he owns already will do that just fine.

So, if you're not moving past that 60Hz mark, IMHO there really is no point even in upgrading the cpu. My suggestion: Buy a bit of a better cooler and OC that bastard as far as you feel comfortable, until you decide to upgrade your monitor or completely refresh your system. Then invest some money into a new GPU and add an 8GB kit to your (I assume) existing 8GB and you will be golden for the time to come. I had a 4670k up until recently (just upgraded to Ryzen) and honestly would've just switched to an i7 on the same socket if I could've found one for a decent price.
 
Wrong again, there are places where the minimum framerate on the I5 drops well below 60fps @ 1080p, and the 99th percentile response has repeatedly been shown to noticeably represent smoothness in gameplay. The I7 consistently maintains a higher minimum framerate.

On top of that, he would like the system to last for 4 years, and it's much easier to swap a video card than a CPU. By the time he needs to swap, the ethereum craze will either have died down, or they will have moved on to at least 2 generations newer video cards, at which point the used stock will be much cheaper.

I wouldn't advise *anyone* try to buy a 1070 right now. The price gouging on the 1060 is bad enough.
 

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...which tells us exactly nothing, as a testing environment of a gtx 1080 with custom watercooling on the cpu isn't exactly applicable in this case, is it? Also, it should be noted that a 1060 WILL NOT be maxing out ALL games @ 1080p and retaining a *CONSTANT* 60fps, as shown by digital foundry, even with i7 processors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7WX6pjL-M.

On top of that, he would like the system to last for 4 years, and it's much easier to swap a video card than a CPU. By the time he needs to swap, the ethereum craze will either have died down, or they will have moved on to at least 2 generations newer video cards, at which point the used stock will be much cheaper.

I wouldn't advise *anyone* try to buy a 1070 right now. The price gouging on the 1060 is bad enough.
No you wouldn't. Instead, it is apparently better to purchase an inferior product now and then try to later resell it to finance an upgrade when, as you yourself said, nobody will want it, bc they'll be moving on to newer gen cards. As time passes there is a clear trend that only the **70 series and higher cards retain certain relevance in following generations, and that alone is reason enough. Now yes, it is technically easier to upgrade a gpu than a cpu, but I still am of the opinion that you shouldn't buy an inferior gpu in order to accomodate a "better" cpu, when we are honestly talking about a couple percentage point-generational improvement - and all that with the idea of "upgrading somewhere down the line".

Also, briefly on the topic of waiting for the i7-8700, I would advise against waiting on that. You cann really always keep waiting on new gen hardware to come out, but eventually you have to pull the trigger.
 

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My total budget will be around 800-1000 euros. But the problem is that in Greece tax is 23% and the prices are very high, so I was thinking to spend around 250-350 on cpu, 80-100 on mobo, 80-95euros on ram(The rams that i suggested costs 83 euros), and for gpu around 250-350). It depends, because may the prices go down etc, so My budget isn't so accurate exactly. About Ryzen, I dunno, I have read that they are powerfull etc but I have used AMD cpu in the past and I wasn't satisfy with it!
 


You're arguing with the *vast* majority of professional reviewers and users, my man. You're not gonna win this one.
 
I can say my RX 480 8gb, which is in the same performance bracket as the 1060 does very well with whatever I throw at it. I think the 1060 should be fine. As far as not trusting AMD, just curious as to why. They did have some growing pains when they first released having to do with memory etc. But from what I've read/heard they've worked through a lot of that and are still releasing updates really quickly. I'm very happy with my 6 core Ryzen 1600, no regrets about that. At least in US dollars it was about 80 dollars less than the i7. With a slight overclock, I'm running my games pretty much maxed out at 1080p 60hz with it.

Lately I've been playing Modern Warfare 3 again, looks good maxed out:).

Need to load up a couple of batman titles and test those again too.
 


I can't tell if you're intentionally misreading or just making up things at this point.. I said that *MINERS* will have moved on, which will bring the used card prices way down for *gamers*.

Yet another reason to get the I7, CPU's hold their value better than video cards.. The 4770k sells for ~$180 now on ebay; it has 55% of it's initial value. The geforce 700 series was released the same year, the 780 sold for $700 and sells for $150 on ebay now; 21% of it's initial value.

You're better off with the I7, not only are AAA games rapidly using greater than 4 threads, but you will save much more money by not buying a price-gouged video card currently targeted by ethereum miners that will rapidly lose value. Once the miners move on, you'll be able to easily pick up a used card with much better game performance.
 
So considering tax, ~$800 is your real budget. Your PSU is really unreliable and you shouldn't fit I7-7700 in that tight budget IMO. New Ryzen is huge improvement and is on par with I7, I5 in most games while cost is much lower. Check videos on youtube :) If you are interested in Ryzen, I can put a list for you.
 

lakimens

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Besides seeing a few answers stating that the build is "great", it's actually not.
An i7 is too much to pair with a 1060, would be better to go 7500 with 1070.
Best would be R9 1600 paired with a 1070, but it's your choice.

a 500W PSU would be plenty for this, but make sure your PSU is of good quality.
Google model name + review(or jonnyguru), see the ratings. If you like it, buy it.
There's also a thread here about PSU's, it's an easier way.
 


I agree. If you are going intel and you can afford it, get the i7. As far release, I think I've heard October 5, and also the 10th. You aren't that far out, wait and see what they look like. If nothing else, maybe see if they drive current prices down.

But I learned to buy the best cpu you can afford. If you buy a step or 2 from the top, you still get good performance, but not the highest price. One argument I do make in favor of Ryzen is just what the guy above me said. I think that games in the next couple of years are going to go more multithreaded. When that happens, at the very least, you'll want the hyperthreading ability, although I think multiple cores will be better. Otherwise yes, your system may run games, but you may get more fps drops and more slowdowns compared to those systems with multiple cores and or hyperthreading ability.
 


A 1070 is the worst value for gamers right now in the nvidia lineup. the 1060 has gone up in price a bit from ethereum mining, but not as badly as the 1070. the 1080 has avoided the price jump because the gddr5X doesn't work well with ethereum mining.

basically, either get a 1060 or a 1080 if you can afford it. and between an i5/1080 and a i7/1060, the latter is the better choice for a gaming rig all things considered.
 

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Yep, I just looked at e-shop.gr and found it's 500+.. Getting a used one if he can find one for cheap would be good.
 
Looking on ebay quick, and found some Zotac cards labeled as new for like 403 in the US. If you want that particular card that may your way to go.

Although honestly, at that price....looking on there again at GTX 1080s, you can get a new GTX 1080 by Gigabyte from newegg as the ebay seller for 489. I mean hey, if you are already spending 400, you might as well go for another 85 and have the better card right?
 

pRonOoBGR

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I also searching at www.skroutz.gr, it has better results etc, but the price is kind similar. Yeah I was thinking of searching of a used one.



I have bought a GPU in the past from Amazon or ebay, I don't remember, and I had some trouble with Greece's customhouse (if I said it correctly, it's office handling tax on imports) and they gonna charge me to pay more money cause of its value, and because the price in greece is high, I am going to pay the same amount of money. So, buying it from outside my country, will have the same results(ffs this country..)
 
I keep posting this video but well I have to when it shows a ryzen 1600 putting up a proper fight with a 7700k clocked at close to 5ghz.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8K2yc11eC4"][/video]

& I known it doesn't relate directly to your build list & requirements but it shows the ryzen chips have nothing in common with amd CPU's of old.


Either way steer clear of straight quad cores if you want a build that won't need upgrading in a couple of years.
The locked i5's are showing their weakness in a fair few current titles , the 7600k only does well because its a massive overclocker & its single core performance is so strong.

The 7700 is still a great CPU at the end of the day if you must go intel BUT so is the ryzen 1600 , it's also cheaper & should to all in intents offer much better future proofing.
 
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