Security set with RJ45 cams

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Hi all
I'm looking for a full security cam setup receiver and all. I already have rj45 cables run through the house so cams have to connect by the rj45's. We need about 7 cams.

Thanks for any help
Michael
 
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everything Ralston18 said X2

a couple of finer points and my experience setting up a security camera system that may help you initially narrow down your search - i went with a Hikvision cam mini-dome https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1162391-REG/hikvision_ds_2cd2542fwd_is_4mp_wdr_day.html. I don't know what part of the planet you're in, but Hikvision and Dahua seem to offer the most bang for buck in terms of quality - forget D-link, Nest, etc - Dlink is way behind their competitors in terms of service and features. Hikvision and Dahua both offer excellent products ranging from the consumer home user market grade to full blown professional, including a $42,000 thermal imaging camera.

Problem with both Hikvision and Dahua...

Ralston18

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So much can be said...

Are the cameras going to be part of an existing network or on a network of their own?

Suggest that you start by googling "how to setup home security cameras".

Visit a few links and then modify the search as necessary for details that are of interest or not immediately clear.

The key is a good plan: both the layout and the installation/configuration itself.

Power to the cameras can be a concern. Power is needed either via a nearby wall outlet or perhaps via the Ethernet cables.

You need to decide how much recording history you need to keep saved and a suitably sized hard drive or other applicable recorder will be needed.

Power outages - do you think that a backup power system is necessary?

The goal is for you to establish some specific requirements and then look for products that match those requirements. It is good if you find you have some flexibility. And or the selected products are flexible enough to meet your needs.

Expect a learning curve but a few hours spent looking, learning, thinking, and planning will go a long way towards establishing a workable camera system.

One good information source is the installation guides and/or User Guides/Manuals for any candidate cameras. You may find some "show stoppers" in the fine print.....

And, if you have more questions then you will, by that time, have a better understanding of what all is involved and the trade-offs that may be involved.

Plus the answers provided will be much more meaningful to you and you may catch some other error of omission or commission along the way.

 
everything Ralston18 said X2

a couple of finer points and my experience setting up a security camera system that may help you initially narrow down your search - i went with a Hikvision cam mini-dome https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1162391-REG/hikvision_ds_2cd2542fwd_is_4mp_wdr_day.html. I don't know what part of the planet you're in, but Hikvision and Dahua seem to offer the most bang for buck in terms of quality - forget D-link, Nest, etc - Dlink is way behind their competitors in terms of service and features. Hikvision and Dahua both offer excellent products ranging from the consumer home user market grade to full blown professional, including a $42,000 thermal imaging camera.

Problem with both Hikvision and Dahua, you'll find purchased from china or hong kong vendors, pricing is 60% of same unit purchased from your in country distributor - but purchased from asian market means warranty and tech support will be "iffy". My Hikvision ran $198 USD shipped - i could have gone with a lesser priced mini-dome but would have surrendered the resolution (2688 x1520) and two way audio capability - the unit i chose has the microphone built in, so i only had to provide an exterior speaker to allow 2 way conversation. The unit i purchased was for use by the entrance but it has a good view of the parking lot & street, and i wanted the resolution to be able to better read license plates if necessary. For the other units around the building, i've gone with a lower priced Hikvision with somewhat lower resolution and no two way audio - cost from a USA authorized vendor was $131 each.

I was concerned about chinese products having "back doors" in their software, but it seems an isolated system without access to the web is safe. One reason i went with Hikvision, before buying i downloaded their configuration tool software and the same from dahua. When i opened the dahua's software, while my malware/virus software had scanned them both and found nothing suspicious, when i open the Dahua software my system literaly sent flares up to the ceiling. I ended spending an hour running the spyware/trojan/malware utilities majorgeeks.com recommends. Found about six files buried deep in root files, with two labeled "DHCP xxxxx...." - basically "call home" files. The Hikvision software set off no alarms.

As to storage requirements, i was getting my feet "wet" with the first hikvision camera - and at 2688 x 1520 resolution, at 20fps, i was concerned about storage requirements. I installed a separate 1TB SSD to see what the real world GB daily storage would be. Initially it ran 12-13GB daily, but i found buried in the software the option to use "H.264+" encoding. Did some research and the consensus seems to be that H.264+ or H.265 generally reduces the file size by 50% without suffering quality or resolution loss. My experience is that the storage requirements dropped to 7+ GB daily on the one camera. Assuming 8GB daily per camera, with six cameras, 1TB is good for approx 20 days storage, which is beyond what i wanted.

One option to look for if you're building your own setup, is as Ralston18 mentioned, PoE cameras - ie, powered over the ethernet cable - it saves needing a 110V source at the camera. But it also means having a switch, router or NVR that offers offers PoE ports. BTW - The camera being PoE means it has the circuitry to receive 48V current, and reduce it down to the 12V or 5V the camera needs.

when thru setting this system up, six cameras ($850) + Trendnet 8 port (PoE) switch $125 i'll be right at $1000.
Then i've got to decide whether to go with a NVR ($300-$400) with it's own display or a small low end computer. FYI, the NVRs most come with PoE ports, so you can pull the value of the Trendnet switch out of the equation. But either the NVR or the small computer setup will not have access to the internet unless i want remote access to the cameras and want motion alerts.

if you want to keep it low budget, there are a ton of complete systems offered (Foscam) in the $400-$800 range - go thru them on amazon and check their reviews, and read the reviews for the same product on Newegg.com to compare reviews

fwiw

PS - the IR night vision every manufacture claims, i've come to the conclusion they all exxagerate the range capability. But irrespective, it's useless on a camera you want motion alerts from - mainly because the IR light attracts spiders and moths (i kid not). On my first camera, a NEST, i had a moth the size of the palm of my hand that at least twice a week was attracted to the IR LEDs which meant flying up to the lens and setting off the motion detection. Solution i found was, on the front entrance camera, i de-activated the IR lights (usually a feature in the software) and instead installed a 5000K LED light bulb. I found 5000K does not attract moths or whatever insects. The softer white (2700K) will. On the other cameras i will have to find IR lights i can install separate and away from the cameras, which is something of a hassle / expense. On two sides of the building, we have lights that remain on all night, not the brightest but enough - with an .01 lux camera (which all the Hikvisions are, iirc) i could read an employees name tag on his shirt at night at approx 60-70 feet distance.
 
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USAFRet

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Regarding IR and motion detection, The Original Ralph is 100% correct.
You will get 4 hours of this:
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I have a 4 cam+DVR PoE setup. It was ~$300, I think.
The DVR outputs to a standard monitor.
It stays offline unless I actually connect the DVR to the router, and open the relevant ports.