hopefully my final build

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hello all

after various threads and advice I have hopefully come to my final build. This is for my son for gaming with a budget around £750, although it will have 1 monitor to start with for games the plan is to get a 2nd monitor for things like skype , spotify, youtube. It would be nice if it was not to noisy as it will live in the sitting room. I also dont need an OS. If you would be so kind as to check it out to see if everything is ok with no bottlenecks or incompatibilities or something glaringly obvious that I have missed, also will I need a cpu fan and there is a possibility that a gtx 1060 6gb gpu to replace the 570 depending on price .
thanks


https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/b7pKvV
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I linked you to the Seasonic which I would prefer above the EVGA.,,, it was about 8-10 GBP cheaper as I recall. Problem is anything smaller of cheaper is if significantly lower quality. There are PSUs which have been labeled "Good PSU for the money" (Corsair CXM for example) but the emphasis there is on the last 3 words which is evident in the Cons section of each review. You'll wa,t at least a 400 watter for the 1060 6GB build, the Ryzen / 570 would need more.

(65 GBP) Seasonic M12 520 -...
Understanding that budget is a strong consideration and sometimes, we just can't get what we want. But as these choices have long term implications, some of which may cost more in the long run, consider the following before pulling the trigger.

1. As too that 2nd Monitor... Ryzen kinda puts the kabash on that as it doesn't support IGP and you don't want that 2nd monitor stealing performance away from the dedicated GFX card.

2. Ryzen does many things well and their are many usage niches that make it a solid choice ... a build which is targeted at gaming is not one of them:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600/21.html

Gaming frame rates lower than competing Intel chips
Higher power draw than Intel CPUs
Memory frequency options and memory compatibility limited
Setup complicated (memory, HPET, CCX, SMT, and power profile)
Boost frequency significantly lower than on Ryzen 5 1600X
Requires optimized apps of which there are not many
Lacks integrated graphics

In TPUs 16 AAA Game test suite, the 1600 was behind by 15%

Game Ryzen 1600 7600k
BF1 / 173.80 / 222.10
Civilization VI / 79.50 / 57.30
DeusEx Mankind Divided / 96.60 / 123.60
Dishonored 2 / 86.90 / 97.50
Doom / 195.40 / 197.60
Fallout 4 / 62.30 / 82.50
Far Cry Primal / 95.80 / 128.00
Hitman / 79.90 / 95.70
Resident Evil 7 / 269.30 / 273.20
RotR / 122.70 / 204.00
Sniper Elite 4 / 151.30 / 182.60
Styx: Shards of Darkness / 210.30 / 233.60
Total War: Warhammer / 68.10 / 87.80
Watch Dogs 2 / 101.70 / 86.70
Witcher 3 / 129.00 / 139.30
TOTAL / 1922.60 / 2211.50

3. The low cost of some AMD4 MoBos is obviously a significant reason to swing to this platform. But to do so w/o recognizing that there are other factors involved here would be a mistake. The way that they get the price down on these low cost boards is to cut component quality across the board. This may not matter to your son, but those who play 1st person shooter games will want "gamer standard" LAN subsystems, this board does not provide that with Realtek 8111GR.

Most gamers what a certain standard of realistic gaming audio, including the ability to discern where the sniper is by being able to "hear" where the shot came from. The audio subsystem that gamers all want today is the current generation ALC1220. This Sroick board has last generation's extreme low budget solution (Realtek ALC887). Again, realizing that getting all that may add 30 GBP to the cost .... but adding it down the road costs much more than that. AM4 and Z270 boards with equal features have equal cost.

4. Ya have about £88 in storage ... 120 GB is way too small for a boot drive, you will be cleaning it out to make space within 6 months. With the budget constraints, I would suggest abandoning the SSD for now, losing the slow 1 TB HD and spending slightly less money on a SSHD at twice the size. The SSD could be added as a Xmas present.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/NpBrxr/seagate-firecuda-2tb-35-7200rpm-hybrid-internal-hard-drive-st2000dx002

My son did this when his SSD failed recently ... he bought an SSHD and though he has the cash to get the SSD he hasn't bothered to do so ... why ?

SSD Boots in 15.6 seconds
SSHD boots in 16.5 seconds

He did put it on his XMas list tho :)

More importantly none of the games are going to fit on the SSD so gaming will see zero benefit from having it. All you will see out of this purchase is faster Windows Boot times ... < 1 second faster. You can compare speeds of the SSHD versus the WD hard drive here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-17-PCMark-7-Gaming,2915.html

Seagate 2 TB SSHD - 9.76 MB/s
WD Black = 6.34
WD Bue = 4.01

5. Yes, Id take the 1060 over any current AMD offering. From the 1060 on up, AMD doesn't really have a horse in the race. Below that AMD has the market to itself with winners across the board

6. Ya can shave a few pounds off the PSU price
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/nB3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze

7. I'd drop the WiFi and run a cable but will keep it in for comparison purposes.

8/.. The DDR4-3000 RAM selected does not appear to be supported by the MoBo .... perhaps there's been a BIOS update

Ryzen series CPUs support DDR4 3200+(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 2667/ 2400/ 2133
7th Gen A-Series APUs support DDR4 2400/ 2133

Again, this will be a project for you and your son to do together and you will find it an invaluable experiences ... my 3 boys were all "helping" with their builds while under 10 and doing their own by 12 when they "let me help" :)

For the build below, you will spend an extra 73 GBP. Whether that is feasible only you can decide. I can tell you this tho ...

1. It will be faster outta the gate ... higher fps and faster game loading speeds
2. That gap will widen once you two decide to undertake overclocking
3. It will be slightly larger but quieter and easy to work on
4. In addition to higher gaming fps, they will load faster from th SSD 50 - 100% faster
5. You won't be tearing ya hair out every time you get that "running outta room on the C:\ drive" message. I still have Pcs coming bin w/ "make room on my SSD requests".
6. Game sound will be much better
7. LAN speeds will be much better ... well after ya give up on WiFi and use a cable for the extra performance :)
8. You have way more upgrade options, fast USB ports, etc etc etc.
9. You will lose 0.9 seconds in Windows boot time, I doubt anyone will notice

Again, hate to just tell ya change everything ... but as your son's 1st PC, these are things ya should think about before undertaking this journey. I remember being there with my 3 boys ... w"well we could get a faster GFX card but you'd have to do some chores" .. when they got older, they were doing chores all around the neighborhood to fund their next build.
 
Oops ... forgt something :)

Again, this would be the Intel / nVidia alternate

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor (£191.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 LED 66.3 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler (£21.86 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-Z270XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£101.99 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£79.96 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£84.48 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card (£216.51 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case (£56.66 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£65.47 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£25.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £842.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-26 18:52 BST+0100

And yes, for 1080p, that will be approaching spectacular.

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With a little OC on that 1060 6GB you should easily get over 100 fps in GTAV
 


Nice build there (and must say that price on 1060 is just pure killer). But in case OP would rather want to keep the budget tight, I did a small shave. Performance should not suffer much.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£179.94 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£59.16 @ PC World Business)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£67.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£84.48 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card (£216.51 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case (£56.66 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£65.47 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£25.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £755.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-26 19:13 BST+0100
 
I had that at one point :)

But in the end, the GA-B250M-DS3H ... Realtek ALC887, Realtek GbE LAN chip, no SLI option, only 1 M.2, less USB and only 2 fan headers I just felt was too limiting. The 7600 build yu have up there tho still has faster CPU, faster GFX faster than thew 1600 and it is cheaper
 

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thanks for the help guys , but as a complete noob at this ( only ever upgarded gpu,wireless,ram new hard drive in years gone by and reloaded windows a couple of times ) I am now confused.
My son wants to be involved with the build , I tried to convince him to just buy a pc but he was quite insistent which I'm happy about even if it courses me headaches and confusion.
The build was based on articles I've read on various websites ( trusted review, pc gamer , etc etc ) all offering the view on various builds by price and followed there trend for cpu , gpu and now I am even more confused and will have to look around some more, and I am sure much to my sons annoyance as its the most important thing to get on with.
I will endeavor to check out all your suggestions but one thing that stood out was the ssd, not realizing 120gb not enough space for the OS but if only 1second in it with boot up , fine by me .

again thanks for the advice
 


OK, this is important. But to lay the groundwork I have to tell you something that the "Dad Club" should have told you by now. I'm sure your remember the tooth fairy from when you were a kid ... but it would seem you have not been educated with regard to his cousin, the "idiot fairy". When your children are young, their Dad is the smartest most wonderful man in the world (despite Mom's arguments to the contrary) ... then usually between the ages of 11 and 13, they go to bed one night and the idiot fairy arrives. The kid wakes up and all of a sudden Dad is an idiot and their friends on the school bus know everything.

ENJOY THIS TIME ! I have 3 boys and when young we did baseball (little league and High School), one did cross county, I was a class mom and scoutmaster. They outgrew all of these thing. But that lil nerd kid within them still lives on. Creating build lists, discussing water cooling, case mods, and doing the build itself is the one thing I still get to participate in (they now 21, 26 and 27 years old). Their High School, neighborhood and college buddies still come here to do their builds even when my kids were away at college.

That confusion you are both experiencing is a great life lesson in an age where blowhard pundits dominate the media where bluster and name calling outweigh actual facts. This is an invaluable lesson for a child learning the difference between some nameless person on the internet versus peer reviewed published sites by author's with real names and reputations to protect.

I applaud you son's insistence on doing it himself. If you lived in NYC area, Id invite you and your son out and ya can use my tools and workbench (what my wife likes to call "the dining room table" ) but as you are across the pond so to speak, that's not gonna happen :)

I will send you a PM (private message) with additional contact information and I will include link to a game that you and your son can play together for free. The game community is rather mature for an online game with none of that behavior parents worry about. There are many groups where the whole family plays ... Granmma and Grampie, mom and dad and the grandkids.

Again enjoy this time ... its much better to get the "Dad, do ya think I should wait for 370 platform for my next build ,, and can i borrow a coupla pounds for a new GFX card ?" phone call then the "Dad, can I borrow a coupla pounds and can ya bring it down to the station and bail me out ?" :)





 

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just 2 more things .
1. about saving for few quid maybe lower psu if possible
2. as above but with the case also I know these day's dvd not needed but useful for my build and I can't see that on the Phanteks
 


1. You could possibly go as low as https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na if you had to.
2. Case is very personal thing, almost like mouse and headphones. If the one you originally selected looks good to you, you can stick to it.
 

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again thanks for all the help.
Thanks D thats the psu I was looking at to save money and as for the case would both of your suggestions fit ok in the fractal focus g mini.

And jack thanks for you replies , and yes i am aware of the "idiot fairy" and with my son being of that age I'm sure the visit won't be to far off, and with out doubt better money spent in pc builds than bailing out.

One last thing before my beauty sleep ( much needed ) although both of your systems are whole sale changes to my original post and caused a headache having to check it all out, a quick look at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/best-gaming-pc-2993099 which is where I started to base my build on I noticed the 4k build which is not a million miles away from your ideas ( cpu etc etc ) so hopefully getting closer to pulling the trigger ( I'm sure the little one will be happy ) .

I cant thank you enough for the help given to this noob .
 


Nope, Jack build won't fit in that Focus mini case, because it's mini-atx case, and his build has full atx motherboard.
 


I linked you to the Seasonic which I would prefer above the EVGA.,,, it was about 8-10 GBP cheaper as I recall. Problem is anything smaller of cheaper is if significantly lower quality. There are PSUs which have been labeled "Good PSU for the money" (Corsair CXM for example) but the emphasis there is on the last 3 words which is evident in the Cons section of each review. You'll wa,t at least a 400 watter for the 1060 6GB build, the Ryzen / 570 would need more.

(65 GBP) Seasonic M12 520 - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/TgW9TW/seasonic-power-supply-m12ii520bronze
(65 GBP) Seasonoic S12 620 - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/nB3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze
(63 GBP) SeaSonic SSR-450RM - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/xVkD4D/seasonic-power-supply-ssr450rm

The Seasonic S12 - 430 was a flawless PSU but I don't know that it is available. The new ECO series is its replacement (46 GBP) but I know nothing about it

The XFX XFX P1-500B-XTFR is part of their new XT series which is based upon the Seasonic ECO Plius series platform. Again, I have not seen it reviewed as yet, but if the 20 GPB helps, I'd mot hesitate to buy it at 42 GBP.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/bTnG3C/xfx-power-supply-p1500bxtfr

2. As for the case, yes, DvDs are not all that popular these days but several options do exist. At the lower price niche's these are oft eliminated to reduce cost. Phanteks has cases with then in the front, one with it in the rear. And if you only use occassionally, then the USB external is always an option.

But other choices remain sand i think the ProM may be the case that suits ya needs: "case to beat at this price point"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS8qUvhetV4&t=36s

Extra £5.44
£62.10 - Enthoo ProM - (1) 5.25" Drive Bay for DvD
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jrVBD3/phanteks-case-phes515pbk

Extra £5r.44
£82.10 - Enthoo ProM - (3) 5.25" Drive Bay for DvD
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/TXCwrH/phanteks-case-phes614pcbk




My goal was to steer you away from the tiny case for more features, more expandability, more performance, cooler operation and easy to work in.

Your Case / PSU combo for the Focus G and EVGA PSU was
£118.41 My build was £122.13 with the S12 and P400 just £3.72 more with vast improvements in quality for both.

If we keep the PSU and move up to the ProM, the cost from your increase from the original build is £9.16

However, the XFX PSU (£42.95) with the ProM w/ DvD (£62.10) is just £105.05, saving you £13.46 from original build




 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor (£191.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 LED 66.3 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler (£21.86 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-Z270XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£101.99 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£79.96 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£84.48 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card (£216.51 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case (£62.10 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: XFX - XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£42.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£25.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £825.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-26 23:36 BST+0100

That's £55.26 over the original £770.29 and ... a host of performance, exandability, betetr cooling, feature and ease of assembly improvements. If ya run a able, that's down to £30 and another performance improvement.





 

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thanks D , I didn't notice the ATX on the build, what caught my eye was ATX mid tower thinking ( mid / mini atx ) .

with regards to price I understand where your coming from and the better future proofing / upgrading it's just that £650 became 700 then 750 then closer to 800 now over 800 plus the bits and bobs like cable ties, thermal paste not mention anything I have forgotten as well as a stand/bracket for the monitor ( my older one which was wall mounted and lost the stand ) and that the money on the better mobo etc but I'VE got to stop somewhere .

When I say I'VE got to stop , in the strange universe we live in the wife has said just get on with it a buy the extra few pound build ( I know miracles do happen ) but it's me struggling with ever increase of price as above , but thats my problem and I'm sure once I dwell on it at work during the day I'll just say " ok dear " and do it.

yet again thanks for the help
 

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I'm still trying to pull the trigger and still looking around and came across this

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/guide/wj7Ycf/great-intel-gaming-build

way out of my budget but what caught my eye was the ssd for about £50 more then looking at jacks first suggestion

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/PbnCHN

I noticed a price drop of around £40 and with an eye on price thought If bought at the right time and right price I could get the ssd 500gb , but how much of an improvement would I get is it worth it. 500gb would be ok for now but come christmas get a second one giving 1tb if possible with mobo

sorry , at a quick glance going from a firecuda sshd 2tb to a samsung 850 evo series 500gb