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Hi,

This is the PC I am going to be building.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Kpx6JV

Is there any changes that I should make to either
A:Less money, relatively same performance.
B:Slightly higher price, better performance.

The games I mostly play are Overwatch, CSGO, and going to be playing PUBG a lot on this. Also going to be playing a lot of open-world, slightly demanding games.
Wanted a guaranteed 60fps in mostly every game I play.
 
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1. Be aware that while Ryzen does many things well, going beyond what Intel can do in certain applications, gaming is not one of them ... at each proce point Intel is faster and cheaper.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_3_1200/21.html

Gaming performance doesn't match up to competing Intel parts
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2. Under stand that the "budget B350 MoBos have audo and LAN solutions which many gamers consider substandard

The Mobo provides last generation Realtek ALC892 audio and Realtek 8111H LAN; peeps who play fist person shooters will be looking for ALC 1220 and Intel BG LAN

3. The 1050 Ti is not going to deliver 60 fps in moats of today's AAA...
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Spend some money on memory. Ryzen chips run a lot better with faster memory, I think because the infinity fabric that connects the modules runs at the same frequency. Aim for 2666 at least.

A decent budget build other than that. If you can afford it, try for the Ryzen 1400 to gain SMT. Basically equivalent to an older i7 and should give you more longevity before a CPU upgrade is needed.
 
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1. Be aware that while Ryzen does many things well, going beyond what Intel can do in certain applications, gaming is not one of them ... at each proce point Intel is faster and cheaper.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_3_1200/21.html

Gaming performance doesn't match up to competing Intel parts
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perfrel_1920_1080.png


2. Under stand that the "budget B350 MoBos have audo and LAN solutions which many gamers consider substandard

The Mobo provides last generation Realtek ALC892 audio and Realtek 8111H LAN; peeps who play fist person shooters will be looking for ALC 1220 and Intel BG LAN

3. The 1050 Ti is not going to deliver 60 fps in moats of today's AAA games
There's 18 games to be found here
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Ti_Gaming_X/11.html

 
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I still say the budget Ryzen platform is compelling for later upgrades. As well as the overclocking capabilities.

A Ryzen 1200/1400 easily becomes as fast as many of Intel's locked chips with a light overclock, and the coolers provided are adequate for this. (Why the 1600x and 1800x are highest in the chart for AMD, 3.6Ghz stock/XFR)

The 1050Ti can run any AAA title, just not necessarily at the highest settings. I see this build as quite upgradeable. It will work for the immediate needs and provide a solid base for future upgrades.

I suppose the counterpoint is that Intel has pretty much ended the LGA1151/7th gen line up. So aside from upgrading to an i5 or i7 at a later date, the build is pretty much going to stay the way it is. New motherboard for 8th gen, and Intel is talking about yet another chipset for the next step after that. And in all likelihood a new socket going forward. AMD is saying they will make chips for AM4 through 2020, with at least one upgrade certainly on the books for 2019.
 
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60FPS 1080p on most every game? That's not going to happen with an entry level Ryzen CPU and the 1050Ti. 1060 with a 1600 or i5 7600? Along with a few setting adjustments? Yes.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£136.74 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£95.62 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£120.26 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£37.20 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card (£145.53 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (£50.04 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX - XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£42.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case Fan: ARCTIC - Arctic F9 43.0 CFM 92mm Fan (£4.46 @ Ebuyer)
Mouse: Corsair - KATAR Wired Optical Mouse (£23.99 @ Aria PC)
Other: AOC e2460Sh 24 inch LED Monitor (20M:1, 250 cd/m2, 1920 x 1080, 1ms, VGA/DVI/HDMI) (£104.98 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Fnatic Gear Rush LED Backlit Mechanical Pro Gaming Keyboard with Brown MX Cherry Switches, UK Layout (£69.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £831.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-28 18:42 BST+0100

I increased your RAM to 16GB that is also faster. Ryzen seems to like faster RAM better.

I gave your CPU a performance boost to the 1400.

I also switched the GFX card to a full profile card. No need for a tiny fan and card with a mid-tower case.

I strongly recommend the 1060 3GB if you can afford it.
 
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And thus i bring you: The value
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£94.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£81.26 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£69.54 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£62.50 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 570 4GB GAMING X Video Card (£188.29 @ BT Shop)
Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (£50.04 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£46.98 @ Box Limited)
Case Fan: ARCTIC - Arctic F9 43.0 CFM 92mm Fan (£4.46 @ Ebuyer)
Mouse: Corsair - KATAR Wired Optical Mouse (£23.99 @ Aria PC)
Other: AOC e2460Sh 24 inch LED Monitor (20M:1, 250 cd/m2, 1920 x 1080, 1ms, VGA/DVI/HDMI) (£104.98 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Fnatic Gear Rush LED Backlit Mechanical Pro Gaming Keyboard with Brown MX Cherry Switches, UK Layout (£69.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £797.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-28 19:06 BST+0100
 
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1. I'm not suggesting that Ryzon isn't competitive, it certainly is at least at stock speeds. What I am saying is, it's oft misrepresented:

It gets close .... but

AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz (8.8 Rating) - "Gaming performance doesn't match up to competing Intel parts"
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_3_1200/21.html

AMD Ryzen 3 1300X 3.4 GHz (9.0 rating) - "Gaming performance slightly behind Intel chips"
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_3_1300X/21.html

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 3.2 GHz (7.9 Rating) - "Gaming performance in the league of cheaper Core i3 dual-core parts"
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1400/21.html

AMD Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5 GHz (8.8 Rating)- Gaming frame-rates lower than competing Intel chips
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1500X/20.html

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz (9.3 rating) - "Gaming frame rates lower than competing Intel chips"
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600/21.html

AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6 GHz (9.1 rating) - "Gaming frame rates lower than competing Intel chips"
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600X/20.html

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6 GHz (8.6 rating) - "Limited game performance"
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_1800X/16.html

If you have a need for multi-threaded apps and those apps will be significant percentage of the PCs activity, then absolutely, it may be a better overall usage choice. Unfortnately while the gap in performance in avg fps is within grasp, in many games minimum fps takes a good hit on Ryzen.

2. The upgrade scenario is one of my concerns ...

... add 2nd GFX card, no
... add competitive first person shooter LAN, no
... add 2nd monitor via IGP, no
... add gaming standard audio, no

3. The same socket is being used in Z370, tho 6xx and 7xx series chips will not be supported. And that's something worth mentioning ... next gen chips / MoBos arrive in a week
 
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SLI is pretty well end of life, Crossfire officially I believe. Multi-GPU still in infancy. A GTX1050Ti leaves room all the way up to a GTX1080Ti, so graphics performance isn't exactly a future issue. Let alone new GPU releases (at reasonable prices)

GTX1050Ti can easily host a second monitor.

I sort of agree on the audio chipsets, depends on what people are used to.

1st month of Intel releases is usually pretty expensive, top end of MSRPs are used until price competition drives it back to normal prices. Z370 boards on launch day won't be cheap either. I'm fine paying that type of premium, for others that is enough of a difference for the next GPU up.

It is one of those wait and see type of things. I was all set to pick up an 8700k just for fun too, but now I'll just wait for the next socket/process. Not really sure with Intel anymore. They've completely muddled up their product stack at this point.
 
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Hi,
Thanks for a your responses, which sub £209 graphics card is good? Also quite a bit of productivity is going to go into this PC, so stuck on ryzen or Intel.
 
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