robbiew114 :
... my CPU can get to 90 degrees. Went on the intel website for my model and it's max temperature is 74 degrees. ...
The intel info for my model is here;
https://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz
robbiew114,
I've reviewed this Thread and there's a few misconceptions we need to dispel, so other Members and readers don't become even more confused concerning an already poorly understood and very confusing topic, since Intel's specifications are about as clear as mud.
The Thermal Specification to which you've correctly referred is "Tcase". However, Tcase is a very
misleading specification that most users nearly always misinterpret. Also, the information which
trampus123 has provided is incorrect.
trampus123 :
... the 4790k CPU will start to throttle back at 70-75c will shut down at 104c ...
trampus123,
Respectfully, you appear to be misinformed. The Thermal Specification to which you've referred is "Tjunction" and is synonymous with "Tj Max" or "Throttle" temperature. The correct specification for the i7 4790K is 100°C.
• Desktop 4th Generation Intel® Core™ Processor Family Datasheet, Volume 1 -
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/4th-gen-core-family-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.pdf
• See Section 5.4, Page 76, Table 27, First Row, 4th Column - TCC Activation Temperature.
Further, "Shutdown" temperature is
not 104°C. Instead, shutdown will occur at approximately 130°C
IF Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor is "disabled" in BIOS, which you should
NEVER do.
• See Section 6.9, Page 92, Table 40, Bottom Row, THERMTRIP# ... "The processor will stop all execution when the junction temperature exceeds approximately 130 °C. ... "
Guys,
Intel Desktop processors have temperatures for each "Core" and a temperature for the entire "CPU". Core temperatures are measured at the heat sources near the transistor "Junctions" inside each of the Cores where temperatures are highest. CPU temperature is a single measurement centered on the external surface of the CPU's "Case" or "Integrated Heat Spreader" where the cooler is seated.
Core temperature is considerably higher than CPU temperature due to differences in the proximity of sensors to heat sources.
The Thermal Specification for Core temperature is "Tjunction" which is also called "Tj Max" (
Temperature
Junction
Maximum) or “Throttle” temperature. The Thermal Specification for CPU temperature is "Tcase" (
Temperature
case) which is a
factory only measurement.
Tcase and Tjunction (Tj Max) Thermal Specifications are both shown in Intel’s Datasheets, which include
all specifications, definitions and technical descriptions. Intel's Product Specifications website should be viewed as a quick reference, since it only shows the Thermal Specification for Tcase
or Tjunction (Tj Max), but not both. The Thermal Specification for 7th and 8th Generation processors is Tjunction (Tj Max), but for 6th Generation and all earlier processors it’s Tcase.
Here's where processor temperatures get confusing:
Since there are numerous software utilities for monitoring Core temperature, when users look up their processor's Thermal Specification at Intel's Product Specifications website, many don't realize what Tcase actually means, and assume it must be Core temperature.
Tcase is not Core temperature.
"Tcase" is a
factory only temperature measured on the external surface of the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS). Tcase isn't tested on
retail processors, but for
lab testing only,
engineering samples are used. A groove is cut into the surface of the IHS where a "thermocouple" is embedded at the center. The processor is installed, the stock cooler is seated, the thermocouple is connected to measurement devices and the temperature is then tested under carefully controlled conditions.
Core temperature, which is also called "Tjunction"(
Temperature
junction), is measured at the heat sources near the transistor “Junctions” inside each Core by individual Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS).
Here's the operating range for Core temperature:
Core temperatures above 85°C aren't recommended.
Core temperatures increase and decrease with Ambient temperature.
Tcase specifications are
not Core temperature. Although Tcase is
measured on the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS), it's also
calculated based on stock cooler TDP and processor TDP. Cooler models with
different TDP values are packaged with
different TDP processors. Several Generations of Quad Core CPU's at 77, 84, 88 and 95 Watts were packaged with a universal 95 Watt cooler (E97378). 6th and 7th Generation mainstream i5 and i7 "K" processors are 91 Watts (8th Generation 95 Watts), but Intel's specified 130 Watt stock cooler (BXTS15A) is sold separately.
Intel Stock Coolers -
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10500/stock-cooler-roundup-intel-amd-vs-evo-212/3
Compared below are three Intel processor / cooler combinations with respect to TDP and Tcase Specifications:
Example 1: i7
2600K 95 Watts TDP / Cooler 95 Watts TDP /
Difference 0 Watts / Tcase
72°C.
<--
Example 2: i7 3770K 77 Watts TDP / Cooler 95 Watts TDP /
Difference 18 Watts / Tcase
67°C.
Example 3: i7
6700K 91 Watts TDP / Cooler 130 Watts TDP /
Difference 39 Watts / Tcase
64°C.
<--
The higher the cooler TDP is from the processor TDP, the lower the Tcase specification, just as when the stock cooler is replaced with a higher TDP aftermarket cooler, Core temperatures are lower.
Tcase is based on different combinations of stock coolers and CPU's. This is primarily why specifications vary. The examples above suggest the 6700K is less thermally capable than the 2600K, which is
misleading, because the 6700K has a higher Throttle temperature.
Here's the Throttle temperatures for several popular processors dating back to 2006, including Thermal Design Power (TDP) and idle Power, which are expressed in Watts (W).
8th Generation 14 nanometer i7 8700K / i5 8600K (TDP 95W / Idle 3W),
7th Generation 14 nanometer i7
7700K / i5 7600K (TDP 91W / Idle 2W),
<--
6th Generation 14 nanometer i7
6700K / i5 6600K (TDP 91W / Idle 2W) :
<--
Tj Max (Throttle temperature) =
100°C
5th Generation 14 nanometer i7 5775C / i5 5675C (TDP 65W / Idle 2W):
Tj Max (Throttle temperature) =
96°C
4th Generation 22 nanometer i7
4790K / i5 4690K (TDP 88W / Idle 2W),
<--
4th Generation 22 nanometer i7 4770K / i5 4670K (TDP 84W / Idle 2W):
Tj Max (Throttle temperature) =
100°C
3rd Generation 22 nanometer i7 3770K / i5 3570K (TDP 77W / Idle 4W):
Tj Max (Throttle temperature) =
105°C
2nd Generation 32 nanometer i7
2600K / i5 2500K (TDP 95W / Idle 4W):
<--
Tj Max (Throttle temperature) =
98°C
1st Generation 45 nanometer i7 860 / i5 750 (TDP 95W / Idle 12W),
1st Generation 45 nanometer i7 920 D0 (TDP 130W / Idle 12W):
Tj Max (Throttle temperature) =
100°C
Core 2 45 nanometer Q9550 E0 (TDP 95W / Idle 16W),
Core 2 65 nanometer Q6600 G0 (TDP 95W / Idle 24W):
Tj Max (Throttle temperature) =
100°C
Further, the 6700K and 7700K share the same Tcase 64°C and Tjunction (Tj Max) 100°C specifications
and thermal capabilities. While the Datasheets show
both specifications, Intel's Product Specifications website is limited to
only Tcase for 6th Generation and earlier processors, or
only Tjunction (Tj Max) for 7th and 8th Generation. For Core X series (formerly called High End) 6x and 7x processors, the website shows no Thermal Specification whatsoever, but the Datasheets again show both.
Mobile (laptop) processors don’t have an Integrated Heat Spreader, so they don’t have Tcase specifications; only Tj Max. And since Intel's website shows the Thermal Specifications for 7th and 8th Generation Desktop processors as Tjunction (Tj Max), this standardizes Desktop and Mobile specifications. Intel's long overdue change signifies that
Tj Max has always been the limiting Thermal Specification; not Tcase. Although Tcase is useful for developers of cooling solutions,
Tcase is a misleading, confusing and unnecessary specification for users.
Tj Max specifications are shown in the Datasheets and in the monitoring utility "Core Temp" -
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp
Tj Max specifications may vary with TDP. Certain low TDP processors Throttle below 85°C (185°F) but many 3rd Generation processors Throttle at 105°C (221°F). Low TDP Core i 6th, 7th and 8th Generation CPU's have Configurable TDP (cTDP) and Scenario Design Power (SDP) which can trigger Throttling below Tj Max. Although most processors Throttle at 100°C (212°F), it’s not advisable to run your CPU near the thermal limit, just as you wouldn't run a vehicle with the temperature gauge pegged in the red "hot" zone.
If your hottest Core is near it's specified Tj Max Throttle temperature, then your CPU is already too hot. The consensus among highly experienced and well informed system builders and overclockers, is that cooler is better for ultimate stability, performance and longevity. Experts agree it's prudent to observe a reasonable thermal margin below Tj Max. So regardless of environmental conditions, hardware configurations, workloads or any other variables,
Core temperatures above 85°C aren't recommended.
• Here's an interesting YouTube interview between Tom's Hardware and Intel concerning Core temperature and stability in the i7 4790K -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTnJkuqlbo
• As has already been suggested, you should replace Intel's stock cooler, which is marginal at best, preferably with the Cryorig H7. Since some processors become unstable above 80 to 85°C, replacing the cooler may reduce Core temperatures to the point where your processor may regain its stability, or at least allow you to eliminate Core temperatures as a troubleshooting variable. Additionally, you can try re-seating the 12 volt CPU connector on the motherboard and monitoring the PSU +12 volt rail for voltage sags and stable power delivery by using Hardware Info -
https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php
• If you'd like to get up to speed on this topic, then please read this Sticky:
Intel Temperature Guide -
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html
CT