New build, 7700k or 8700k

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If I buy right now, this is the build I would be considering.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KP8BCy

Now I have thought about going with an 8700k instead of the 7700k. But it seems they are hard to find right now, everyone is sold out of them or the ones that do have them are quite a bit higher in price.

Also not sure if I really need a 8700k but I do tend to keep my builds for several years so would like to future proof it as much as possible. Another thing about the 8700k is it has a lower base clock speed vs the 7700k. So was thinking currently, the 7700k would be a better choice for me but later on, the 8700k would be better because of the 6 cores. Anyone know what kind of overclock can easily be achieved with the 8700k?

Also may change out the 1070 gpu for a 1080 if I get a 4k monitor.
 
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I do want the 8700k but the issue is, how long before it will become easy to get? Seems to be sold out everywhere or price is much higher than the 7700k.

Any idea on what the normal price for a 8700k will be? If it is going to be a couple hundred bucks higher than the 7700k, than not sure I could justify that.

 
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If it stays around 50 - 100 bucks over the 7700k it is worth it. Anything over 100 bucks is to mutch unless you are doing content creation or otherwise use programs that loves many cores.

I belive the 7700k will be up to par 3 - 5 years down the road. Over 5 years... I think games and programs will use more then 4 cores.
Even today we have a couple of games that use more than 4 cores.

Give it 14 days to 1 month and most stores should have them in stock.


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I see you have the 1070 and are thinking about swapping it out for a 1080 if you get a 4k monitor.
My advice: Dont.

Reason is simple. Neiher the 1070 or the 1080 can deliver nice and stable FPS @ 4k. Even the 1080ti struggle with that.
Here imo you should hold on the 1070 until the next GPU line (Volta) if you want a card that can handle 4k with nice FPS.
 
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I don't do any content creation or anything like that, just mainly gaming and typical office type stuff. I think I will be fine with a 7700k but would like to have the 8700k since I do tend to keep my builds for a while. And this might sound silly, but I am running a quad core i7 920 currently and seems strange to upgrade to another quad core. I do realize there is a big difference between the i7 920 and the 7700k.

I have been thinking about this build for the past month and kind of want to get something done sooner rather than later. The only reason I waited this long is because I have not had much time to mess with it.

Just to be clear, I have not bought anything in that link yet. That is what I am planning on getting but not set in stone.
 
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Here is the list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($350.00)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($134.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($89.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($712.89 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design - Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($46.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1624.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-09 04:33 EDT-0400

Spend bit extra to get extremely powerful build.
 
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Why? He's spending some money on the case ,psu and other parts as well which i like.
He can save a little on the psu i admit,
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/MfJwrH,DQx9TW,JfBrxr,64cMnQ/
all good choices.

I would get a coooler that matches the color sceme of the build better,but it's a good cooler.Some other options,
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/jK8H99,rvVBD3,4RJkcf,nK4NnQ/
a mix of air cooler and AIO watercooled.Look for some reviews,they say more than i can.
 
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That would increase the budget greatly unless he pulls down the performance which is not at all recommended or advised. He is getting great performance improvement while having no performance loss and even silent build. The only thing OP will loose is aesthetics.
 
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Ty for the suggestions. King, that looks like a really nice build although is a little over budget of $1500 which I forgot to mention earlier but I can go over if it's worth it. I noticed the SSD is an m.2 drive instead of a 2.5". Any reason to get one over the other? Are m.2 drives much faster and is it really noticeable?

I really like seeing a 1080ti and an 8700k in there. But am I sacrificing quaility or performance in other areas?

As far as looks goes, that is not all that important to me. I care about performance and quality first.
 
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That is a huge performance gain over the one you listed. Nearly 80% more powerful. That huge gain is definitely worth it.
No loss in performance in other areas. Storage limitations can be solved by adding second HDD in future if required.
PSU is not a cheap quality. Seasonic S12II is Tier2 PSU and the one of the best available non modular PSU. Been using them for long time and no problem faced till date.

All high quality components.
 
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On the video card, what does mini mean?

I noticed the tower is a mid tower. Just curious, any reason to get a mid tower over a full tower besides price? I am currently using a full tower and do like the space it has. Would not mind having a side window but that is not a must.
 
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Not as powerfull as the build form King Dranzer,but of you're wiling to forgo on the hyper threading and the ti on the gpu can you get a good build with most of what you had in the first close to your budget,

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($259.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370XP SLI (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($151.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($148.55 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($147.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Mini Video Card ($509.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: BitFenix - Whisper M 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.59 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1509.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-09 12:15 EDT-0400
 
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wow you realize that for $120 extra he is getting $300 worth performance boost. But yes he is getting extra storage with your build.
 
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For the cpu, I am either going with the i7 7700k or 8700k, preferably the 8700k. As far as storage goes, 1tb storage drive is more than plenty, using a 500gb now and only about half full.

I know I said a budget of $1500 but don't mind going over a bit if it would be worth it.

With that CYRORIG cooler, how high would I be able to overclock with it? I will not do any extreme overclocking, maybe up to 4.2ghz.

Ty all for the help so far
 
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i7-8700K is a good choice.

That CRYORIG cooler can easily get you to 4.8GHz-5GHz depending on where you live.
 
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Sorry just need to step in here. I love Seasonic and I would never question the quality on this unit we all know its good. The problem with it is its an ancient design that has long been surpassed in power delivery, and as well it doesn't support all sleep states. We have had users have system hang issues due to this. Just not something you should be dealing with on a modern build. Its not one of the best available non modular PSUs anymore.

The Seasonic G series is still out there, decently priced, gold rated, semi modular. Price wise its not much more than the S12II and its a far newer and more improved design. Its long time for the S12II to be retired.
 
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I'd argue it still fits a niche at the budget level, so long as one doesn't talk it up too much.
 
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I have been using them for long time and never faced problem with it therefore I recommend it. But if there is a problem with it that never occurred to me but others are facing it then well, I will recommend Corsair CX650M over it.

Rogue Leader I would like to know if it is a common problem or a rare one. If it 1:100 then I would not worry about it and would still consider Seasonic S12II be decent enough for above build but if it is 1:10 then yes I would recommend on switching the PSU to a better one.
 
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