Scared of X62 and i5 8400

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ArchitSahu

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Hey Guys,
So I am building a new PC:
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XyBx8K
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XyBx8K/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($281.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($171.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($98.94 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card ($554.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($87.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($128.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1649.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-09 08:27 EDT-0400

Essentially, for those asking why I took a non K CPU with an OC able MB. because I want to keep the option for the future.

I have two questions for now:

-Should I swap the 7700 for the i5 8400 and a Z370 MB? Looks like the Z370 will be future proofing and the i5 is newer. I plan to game and stream occasionally. WIll the i5 8400 be alright?

-Should I stick to default cooler or go for the NZXT X62? I have been reading problems with it online and as this is my first build with an AIO, I had a few doubts. First, it is quite exp, is it worth the cost? Also is it good? Like the problems I have seen have all put me off and I am scared to order it as I live outside the US and ordering it, then seeing there is a problem and sending it back is too expensive and cumbersome. So should I bite the bullet and get it?

My budget is roughly 2100 SGD ($1540.15) to 2200 SGD ($1613.49). I prefer the Intel line so I want to stick with that. If you guys have a better build, do post it.
 
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Because the other builds are overkill for 1080p gaming, i made a alternate over $600 cheaper build.
The i3 has 4 cores so its close to the i5-7400, which is still a pretty fast gaming cpu. And a bit cheaper GTX1070 with other compromises like a cheaper case and a 2TB Hybrid drive instead of the SSD+HDD combo.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($117.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($77.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive...
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DRagor

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If you want to have options open for future upgrade, by all means go for 8400 and Z370. Since you want Z-board anyway, there should be no real cost difference whether you go for Z370 or Z270, but 8400 is cheaper then 7700, and equal if not more powerful in terms of performance. The added bonus would be, 8400 should be absolutely fine with stock cooler.
 
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need4speeds

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I redid your build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 White 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-Z270P-D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: MyDigitalSSD - BPX 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G Video Card ($754.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1657.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-09 09:26 EDT-0400

I tried to keep with your white theme.
There is a WD black M2 240gb ssd it's $109. I tried to keep within the budget you had in your build.
 
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I'd get the 7700k. It'll run between 4.2-4.5GHz whereas the 7700 is 3.6-4.2GHz. And with a Z mobo you can easily overclock it. Plus it is easier to sell, even in 4yrs.

If you are in Singapore I'd order from States but buy the case local as the case is huge and costly for shipping.

I'd swap to Z270-A, has white features like the white case. And it will perform same as Z270-E. Second, get the G3 instead of G2. It is newer and cheaper. Then instead of MSI get EVGA gpu. These 3 things save....$65. If possible, then get a bigger SSD. It's nice to have extra room for games and programs instead of having to put on HDD. Here is what I suggest.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z270-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($171.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($169.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($539.89 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($87.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1704.19
 
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A Ryzen 8 core\1080ti alternate build. $57 overbudget at $606.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor ($298.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: MyDigitalSSD - BPX 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card ($744.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1606.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-09 16:12 EDT-0400
 
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My GTX1080 build, 6 core Ryzen.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($219.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 White 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: MyDigitalSSD - BPX 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB DUKE OC Video Card ($514.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1285.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-09 16:21 EDT-0400
 
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Because the other builds are overkill for 1080p gaming, i made a alternate over $600 cheaper build.
The i3 has 4 cores so its close to the i5-7400, which is still a pretty fast gaming cpu. And a bit cheaper GTX1070 with other compromises like a cheaper case and a 2TB Hybrid drive instead of the SSD+HDD combo.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($117.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($77.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($409.99 @ Newegg)
Case: DIYPC - P48-W ATX Mid Tower Case ($30.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1026.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-09 16:54 EDT-0400



 
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Thanks for the quick response guys! Appreciate it.

As replying to all three would be spammy, I am going mention each of you here:

DRagor - Thanks for the help! I decided to stick with the 7700 for now and the Z270 line up as it is cheaper where I am at right now. Maybe, next year, when the prices for the 8700 would have gone down I would upgrade. Also, I like the 8 threads for now.

need4speeds - Appreciate the new part list but many parts on the list are not from Amazon, which I should have mentioned as, if I were to order from US, I only get it from Amazon due to Free Shipping. Also, the parts not from Amazon are 3x exp where I am, like the 7700k is 600. But I really do appreciate the list. If I upgrade next year, I am looking at a few parts in that list to upgrade from.

envy14tpe: Haha! How did you guess I am from Singapore? But yea I am from SG. I am ordering the processor, MB and PSU from the US. I am sticking with the 7700 for now as I have gift cards so the price for them is about $500 instead of $610 USD. I have got the case and everything else here for a cheaper price. I am trying to save some money for my savings, so I wont get the 7700k now. But, perhaps by next year Feb I would get one as prices would be very cheap through 3rd Party Sellers here.

My question now is whether I should get the X62. Is it worth the price? Also, if I were to stick with the Z270 line up for now, how long would it last? It came out this year only anyway, surely Intel can't stop releasing products for it so fast, right?



 
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Hey thanks for the many part lists! Just wanted to put a few things out there as I definitely want to stick with the Intel line up and specifically the higher end i5's and i7's as it would help make my PC last. Another thing is that I would stick with 1080. I know that the 1080ti is better in all aspects, but I want to buy the GPU locally and it seems that here the 1080ti for all brands cross $1500 SGD, roughly $1095 USD. As such, the only 1080 I found for a price close to the one in the US is the MSI 1080 Gaming X, with an Asus ROG Strix 1080 at $850 SGD ($620.5) and an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW for the same price. Should I stay with the MSI? Or switch to the ROG STRIX 1080 or EVGA FTW model? Are there any noticeable differences??

Thanks!
 
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I knew you were in Singapore cuz of currency. (I'm northeast of you, in Taiwan) Since you are getting a i7-7700 and won't be overclocking then there is no need for an expensive cooler. Even a $35usd cooler will do the job well. Check out Cryorig H7. It'll keep the 7700 cool and do so quietly.

Intel is done with the 6xxx and 7xxx series CPUs. From now on the new CPUs will need Z370 mobo or newer. If you wanted to upgrade your 7700 then the only choice would be 7700k. Nothing else is better, and will work on your Z270 mobo. Your other choice would be to get z370 and a i5-8400. But price and in stock may not be in your favor.
 
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Ah, so shall I ditch the 7700 and the Z270 Motherboard for the i5 8400 and Z370? Would that be enough for occasionally streaming as well as playing games? Perhaps some light 3D modeling?
 
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If you want to stream then more cores tends to fair better. Like the Ryzen 7 1700. The Ryzen beats the 7700k in gaming/streaming, but for only gaming the 7700k is better. (GamersNexus).

The i5-8400 route should give you better chance to upgrade CPU in future with a newer platform. But the way intel has been acting its hard to know. Have you considered Ryzen 7 1700 and B350.

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($119.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $409.38
 
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Note that 7700 has 4 cores/8 threads, while 8400 has 6 cores/6 threads. Since physical cores are better then logical, 8400 is as good if not better for streaming purposes as 7700. This can change when games start using more then 4 cores, but when this happens, you will have easy upgrade route - just switch to 8700 or 8700K, without touching anything else, and you are still ahead. Let me state it quite clearly - if you care for longevity of your system, the only reason NOT to buy 8th gen would be lack of availability (or crazy prices caused by it).
If you stick to 7700 (non-K), I'll agree with envy14tpe - good air cooler like H7 is all you need.
As for GPU, all that really matters is price. But assuming price is almost same, from the three you mentioned, I would rate ASUS Strix as first choice. However you should not be disappointed by any of them.
 
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