Help me decide for what platform for AMD Athlon x4 950 is better

leafeater

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Hello everybody. I'm looking for a good motherboard for Athlon x4 950.

I have a very tight budget and i want to do a cheap AMD am4 socket build with intention to upgrade it when Zen2 comes out. After reading about various platforms, i originally decided go for a ASUS Prime b350-plus but now i kinda think it's too much for this CPU and it's gonna be outdated when Zen2 comes out. But then again i mignt wrong. Also it has a lot of BIOS problems, judging from what i've read, so i'm kinda afraid.

So currently options are:
Huge investment in ASUS Prime b350-plus build with upgrade in like ~2 years or something or
Lesser investment in a cheaper board with complete rebuild of it when Zen2 comes out.

I mainly use PC for internet/photoshop and mostly don't play games. The only games i probably will be playing is Dark Souls 3 and other Soulslike AA indie projects. So i don't think i will OC it. And i have a Aerocool VS 450 PSU.
 
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How cheap is cheap? Only the A320 motherboards will be cheaper, I believe.

Reading through I would wonder about the following aspects with respect to your upgrade considerations.

What is your current set up and how much improvement would this new one be by comparison? If it isn't much better then the immediate upgrade seems pointless if you don't benefit now; may as well wait for later.

In what manner do you believe the motherboard is too much for the CPU? Is it because the x4 950 is a low end CPU?

And in what manner will the motherboard be outdated when Zen 2 arrives? Or rather, what new technologies do you want the motherboard to use which this one does not have? USB type C ports perhaps? If it's a certain connectivity you're...
How cheap is cheap? Only the A320 motherboards will be cheaper, I believe.

Reading through I would wonder about the following aspects with respect to your upgrade considerations.

What is your current set up and how much improvement would this new one be by comparison? If it isn't much better then the immediate upgrade seems pointless if you don't benefit now; may as well wait for later.

In what manner do you believe the motherboard is too much for the CPU? Is it because the x4 950 is a low end CPU?

And in what manner will the motherboard be outdated when Zen 2 arrives? Or rather, what new technologies do you want the motherboard to use which this one does not have? USB type C ports perhaps? If it's a certain connectivity you're seeking, then look for a motherboard which has them to future proof yourself as much as possible.

When you play games they will have specific hardware requirements regardless of time you intend to spend on them. Dark Souls 3 looks like it can be a fairly demanding game on the PC. Some sites place the x4 950 below the FX-6300 which is the minimum AMD CPU requirements. (I don't know how generous those minimum requirements are.)

As for Photoshop... may depend on the rest of your specs.
For reference: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-Multi-Core-Performance-625/
And: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2017-1-1-CPU-Comparison-Skylake-X-Kaby-Lake-X-Broadwell-E-Kaby-Lake-Ryzen-7-976/
A strong IPC and up to six cores seems to be the optimal for Photoshop. Also the amount of RAM you use. I believe as soon as you go the content creation route you need to start looking at 16GB as a minimum, but that's just me...

Those are additional considerations I believe need addressing anyway.
 
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leafeater

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Hello. I'm very new to PC building and i haven't slept that night so large amount of new data and deprivation of sleep didn't allow me to clearly express the mess that was in my head at the time.

First of all, let me explain what i wanted:
1. It's a temporary PC that i'm planning to use until Zen+ comes out. After that i will probably salvage it. That's why i don't really want to spend too much money on it.
2. I had 2 ways of doing so. First one is relatively good high price mobo together with cheap CPU like Athlon to replace it with Zen+ upon release. Second one originally was to do a cheap mobo/r3 that i decided to switch to Athlon too right in the process of making this thread. Purpose of this build is to be completely replaced by new PC with Zen+.
3. Reason why i'm so obsessed with Zen+ is that i want to get the most value out of it make it last long in my hands for like next ~5 years. I think it would be a waste of money going for Ryzen now since new one comes out so soon.

I don't know if mobo will be outdated i just don't know what to do. I heard there will be new AMD chips with new socket so i just don't know. May be i will change my mind. So it's even more difficult.

By too much for a CPU i meant too expensive :)

Anyway, after getting some sleep i understand that first option was better but problem is prices are really biting in my country :D That Asus Prime B350-plus i was originally going for costs like 40k-50k kzt which is like 120-150$. See yourself - https://alfa.kz/q/b350
Ordering it from Germany will cost 125$ with delivery(30€) and that is with a 10% discount. I consider this overpayment. Also i don't want to feed those greedy local bastards.
So i went after second option with the cheapest possible ASRock A320-DGS + Athlon. Ordering them will cost me 140$.
So as you can see it's very cheap :D

Now i'm thinking what GPU to get. Considerations are: RX 460, RX 550, RX 560, GT 1030, GTX 1050. GTX 1050TI. Can you give any advice on any of those, please? I don't wanna get a better one because it will be useless. I fear even these might be bottlenecked by Athlon.

I think i could run DS3 on low. It's not about the image anyway. If i won't then i will simply not play it. Not a big problem.
I plan to learn coding, mainly front-end dev, so Photoshop won't be heavily used, mainly to extract the data from PSD site layouts and may be basic editing of something. So i think i will be fine. Any 8gb RAM will be fine i guess? Didn't look at it so far.

Old PC was i3 550 that i bought in 2012. Mobo died, only HDD is salvageable. I think Athlon is an upgrade anyway :p
Thank you for answering. I will give you a reward for putting your effort into answer to even such a stupid question like mine :)
 
I had an x4 760k for quite a few years and I matched it with a GTX 750 ti. It did okay at the games I played, which I think Dragon Age: Inquisition was the most demanding. Usually managed at least 30fps depending on scene. You might get away with Dark Souls 3 on low (haven't played it so I can't really comment).

I would choose the 1050 ti personally, because it's the most powerful of those cards (you've already accounted for bottlenecking). The AMD graphics cards are probably still really expensive due to the mining situation. I think the price range for those cards is £100 to £150 depending on model and brand. I've seen GTX 1050 tis on some sites for £130 in the UK, so shop around.

8GB of RAM will get you started. I'm not familiar with coding but I suspect it could be reliant upon all factors: RAM, CPU clockspeed (more precisely IPC) and cores/threads. I'm still of the belief 16GB is safer for this sort of work (don't want the software crashing due to lack of RAM).

I like to make this old to new comparison to see if it makes sense to upgrade; some people end up making a 'sidegrade' when they don't think it through. Improvement from the i3-550 may be marginal (at least from what I was looking at), depending what you do. But because of your situation you will get is a newer platform with recent technology and an upgrade path to Zen 2 as AMD intends to release it for the AM4 socket.

Oh, if you have Windows, depending on the licence, you may not be able to reuse it with the new PC. So factor that in for a worst case scenario.