CPU Upgrade Options (help I am a CPU noob)

andrew.marsh365

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I like to play cs:go, and cs:go loves cpu - so single thread performance is quite important to me, but I will be getting other kinds of games in the future too, that might prefer more cores. I am on a quite tight budget, so yeah. Anyway, I have been looking to upgrade my CPU from a measly amd a10 6800k, to something newer and faster. So I was looking at getting a 4690 second hand for a while (and a new cheapo 1150 mobo) , because of the single threaded performance. However ryzen 5 1400 seems compelling, although it will cost more and I will need to buy new ram. BUT here is the issue. On passmark the i5 4690 scores "2213" and the r5 1400 scores only "1712". So I am kinda stuck, is it worth more threads, as in the future i will get more games and they will more likely need more threads or is the 4690 a better idea? I also want to be able to use this for a while into the future, and the 4690 is already getting old. I am really stuck on this one, so please help :).
 
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The 1400 is overclockable to match that and it can outperform the 1500x. With its stock cooler you can hit 3.7~3.8Ghz.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4690-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1500X/2311vs3921

The RAM does bring up issues tho as I'm in the same boat. Here is what I'm looking at or a new Ryzen 5 1600.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($283.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($106.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $389.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-18 11:43 EDT-0400
 

andrew.marsh365

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Ahhhh, wow! Is this overclock (to outdo 1500x) able to be done on stock cooler on a b350 (unless my hyper 212 fits).
 


Quad core CPUs have been mainstream for a decade and only now are games starting to use all 4 cores. It usually takes around 5 years for AAA games to be developed, so just because 6 core and 8 core chips are mainstream in 2017, does not mean that in 2018 games will require 6 or 8 cores.

The very important factor in the "more cores" argument is consoles. Consoles makes game developers much more money than PC. Therefore, game developers develop games to run on consoles, then port them over to run on a PC. Making a game run on a console is the primary focus for the vast majority of game developers. Considering both playstation and Xbox run on 8 core jaguar AMD CPUs, do not expect games to use more than 8 threads until consoles use a new CPU. Also, don't let the "8 core Jaguar" CPU fool you. It is not the true 8 core chip like you see in the Ryzen 7 lineup. AMD used some funny marketing for their previous generation CPUs. Because their previous "8 core" were really just "4 modules" that had simultaneous multi threading.

I would probably not go with the 4690 unless it was a very good deal on the CPU and motherboard or if you are on a strict budget. I would look at getting the 4790k because in some games you will benefit from having 8 threads where on the 4690 you will only have 4. You should be able to get a decent price on a used 4790k and a decent motherboard right now. Intel just released their new lineup and people with the 4790k may be looking to upgrade.

The 4790k will beat or tie any Ryzen processor at gaming and you wont have to upgrade your RAM. RAM prices are twice as much as they were a year ago. But if you perform any professional type task such as video editing or rendering, or if you like to stream games, then go with the 1600 because you will be able to use the extra cores and threads. But for gaming, 8 threads will be more than enough at least until the next generation console is released and they have more than 8 threads.

If you like to game, spend your money on the GPU, not the CPU. The CPU does not have near the impact on gaming as a good GPU.
 
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