Are my CPU temperatures normal?

jonezeen

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PC Specs:
MoBo: Studio XPS 435T/9000
CPU: Intel core i7 920@2.67ghz, 4core, 8 processor
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GT 220
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB + 1TB drive
RAM: 6 sticks @ 8GB
PSU: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W

I downloaded CPUID HWMonitor to check the stats of the PC to make sure the CPU is running at optimal temperatures. The program checks the stats of a bunch of other things that I don't understand. I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could take a look at the stats and tell me if anything needs attention.

What should be the optimal temperature for my PC when it's at idle vs when I am playing games? (I play Starcraft 2 and Counterstrike)

Running the PC at startup with just downloading a game/windows updates and browsing the internet:
https://imgur.com/a/HsN1f

The CPU Temperatures seem to stay between 60c~65c but sometimes will jump up to 70c
I was told that it's dangerous for the CPU to reach 70c, so I am worried that I the CPU will die.
 

RaidHobbit

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70C should be fine as its not getting into danger zone yet.

But it shouldn't be that high unless you are overclocking and underload. Maybe time to clean your fans and check they are all working properly?

I would aim for 50-60C.
 

jonezeen

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I am not overclocking the CPU.

The XPS 435t/9000 came in a big case and it was VERY heavy.
I have recently moved everything into a newer case. The newer case came with 3 fans. I am using the original heatsink/fan for the CPU. Not sure if it's the heatsink/fan thats causing the issue.

The CPU temperature runs between 60-70C...
At what temperature qualifies as the danger zone? 80C?
 

RaidHobbit

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If you arent overclocking it and under 100% load then you have a problem going on there. If you were then 70C would just be in the acceptable range. 80C would be a problem. 50-60C would be normal for that chip under normal use without overclocking.

Does your CPU cooler need de-dusting? Have you placed your pc somewhere that doesnt tramp heat and has a decent airflow? You dont need to panic at 60-70C, your cpu wont die, but it should be a bit lower.
 

jonezeen

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Hmmm okay. As of right now, I'm just updating windows and installing games but I am sure that if I start playing games it'll jump up to 80C+..
When I installed the CPU cooler, I didn't notice a lot of dust on it but I will take it off now and de-dust it just in case. I'll also re-do the thermal paste in case I put too much or something.

Thank you for the help so far. I might not be able to respond after I take the CPU cooler off. It is 4am and I should sleep soon. I'll check back tomorrow. Thanks again.
 

CompuTronix

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jonezeen,

There's nothing to be concerned about; 70°C is not too hot.

Excessive Core temperatures and Core voltage (Vcore) over time can cause degradation, which is called "Electromigration". This is premature erosion of the traces and junctions within the processor's layers and nano-circuits, which will eventually result in blue-screen crashes that become increasingly frequent over time.

This is typically only an issue for people who overclock. Nevertheless, the topic has been blown way out of proportion. CPUs rarely fail, but instead become obsolete, are retired, then replaced with current hardware.

Your Dell Studio XPS 435T/9000 was a top-of-the-line rig back in it's day. The i7 920, which I've owned and overclocked, is a 130 Watt TDP (Thermal Design Power) CPU. This is a bit high for mainstream Quad Core processors, most of which are 77 to 95 Watts. However, if you're using Dell's cooler, it should be OK, as their coolers are typically decent.

Here's a link to the i7 920 as shown on Intel's Product Specification website - https://ark.intel.com/products/37147/Intel-Core-i7-920-Processor-8M-Cache-2_66-GHz-4_80-GTs-Intel-QPI

Here's a link to Intel's Datasheets for their 900 Series Desktop processors - https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-i7-900-ee-and-desktop-processor-series-datasheet-vol-1.html

There are actually 2 versions of the i7 920. The earlier Stepping Revision C0 was later followed by D0, which overclocked higher at lower voltage and temperatures. Both versions share the same Thermal Specifications. Intel Desktop processors have 2 Thermal Specifications; "Tcase" is "CPU" temperature and "Tjunction" is "Core" temperature.

The 1st spec, Tcase, is 67°C for the i7 920, which is shown on the Product Specifications website. However, Tcase is a misleading specification, as it applies only to the development of cooling solutions. This spec should be disregarded for the following reasons:

(A) It's a factory only analog "thermocouple" measurement on the surface of the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) where the cooler is seated, which can not be measured by the end user.

(B) Tcase is not Core temperature. Core temperature is instead measured by individual Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS) at the heat sources near the transistor "Junctions" deep within each of the Cores where temperatures are hottest. Therefore, Tjunction is considerably higher than Tcase, due to the differences in the proximity of sensors to heat sources.

The 2nd spec, Tjunction, which is shown in the Datasheets, refers to "Tj Max" or "Throttle" temperature, which is 100°C. Tjunction is the Core temperature thermal "limit" where the processor will throttle (reduce Core speed) to protect itself from thermal damage.

Intel used the Tcase spec up through and including 6th Generation, but then changed to the Tjunction spec for 7th and 8th Generation. Here's an example of both specifications, as per any given processors:

i7 920 (1st Gen)
Tcase 67°C
Tjunction 100°C

i7 7700K (7th Gen)
Tcase 64°C
Tjunction 100°C

The 7th Gen i7 7700K is in no way any less thermally capable than the 1st Gen i7 920!

So how hot should the i7 920 be allowed to get? Common sense once again prevails. Here's the explanation:

Although most processors Throttle at 100°C (212°F), it’s not advisable to run your CPU near it's thermal limit, just as you wouldn't run a vehicle with the temperature gauge pegged in the red "hot" zone. If your hottest Core is near it's specified Tj Max Throttle temperature, then your CPU is already too hot.

The consensus among highly experienced and well informed system builders and overclockers, is that cooler is better for ultimate stability, performance and longevity. Accordingly, experts agree it's prudent to observe a reasonable thermal margin below Tj Max. So regardless of environmental conditions, hardware configurations, workloads or any other variables, here's the bottom line:

Core temperatures above 85°C aren't recommended.

Here's the operating range for Core temperature:

Core temperatures increase and decrease with Ambient temperature.

Idle temperatures below 25°C are generally due to Ambient temperatures below 22°C. Normal or "Standard" Ambient temperature is 22°C or 72°F.

Highest Core temperatures occur during stress tests, rendering or transcoding, but are lower during less processor intensive workloads such as applications and gaming. Core temperatures can vary greatly among games due to differences between CPU and GPU workloads.

On my i7 7700K personal rig, Core temperatures never reach 80°C during any extreme applications or stress tests. Here's a Sticky you might want to read: Intel Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

CT :sol:
 

jonezeen

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Yes, I am using the original DELL cooler for the CPU. After reading all of that I still don't really understand it (sorry!) but from what I gathered, having my cpu @ 80C is when I should start getting worried.

I think I installed the CPU fan the wrong way so I switched it. It WAS blowing air AWAY from the CPU. I flipped it around just now and now it is blowing air THROUGH the heatsink towards the CPU.

I am running a youtube video and running a game at the moment and HWMonitor is reading around 70C for all four cores. Sometimes it will BARELY reach 80C but it still does reach 80C.

I am not sure what I should do ... Should I get better heatsink + cpu fan? Or is there something else that I am overlooking?


 

CompuTronix

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Motherboards used in Dell computers, or most other retail Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs), are not capable of overclocking any CPUs, because their BIOS purposely does not support overclocking.

I don't think there's anything that really needs attention. However, a major variable which you haven't yet mentioned is Ambient room temperature. The higher the Ambient temperature becomes, the higher all computer temperatures become, including Core temperatures. Normal or "Standard" is 22°C or 72°F.

Here's the temperature conversions and a short scale:



What is your Ambient temperature?

Is your computer clear of desk enclosures or items which in any way obstruct airflow?