does active converter dvi-d/hdmi/displayport to vga decrease fps?

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

Hello everyone, i'm planing to buy gtx 1060 soon and i was worried about if the converters will they or will not work, my current monitor is ( SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER B2030N)the monitor only uses VGA ports, sadly it's old and currently i can't buy new monitor because i'm saving the money for the GPU.does cable/converter affects recording games and streaming ?
Do you think that gtx 1060 6Gb will be sufficient for 1600x900 p ?
which type of converters would you recommend i mean like dvi-d to vga or hdmi to vga or display port to vga,anyone has the converter . have you faced any problems while doing daily computer activities,gaming ?
thanks in advance and sorry for my bad English

luketexas · Oct 24, 2017

Hi, first of all of course your GPU will be more than sufficient for 1600x900, that's not even Full HD resolution.. the max resolution for your card is 7680x4320. Second, why on earth would you bother upgrading your GPU's if the display is horrible, for what purpose besides perhaps better frame rates? You certainly couldn't edit photos or videos on the monitor, and any media ie. gaming, movies etc. will look bad. Unless you plan to upgrade your monitor within a short period of time, why not save your cash until you can afford to upgrade both at the same time? Because VGA and DVI are both analogue, there would be no quality loss between the two interfaces

AniChatt · Oct 24, 2017

Use DVI-d to vga. It works much better than HDMI to VGA or Display port ot vga as it sometimes causes display related issues if the quality of the converter is not good enough. And I think you have received dvi to vga converter with your gpu. Absolutely no fps drop you will get and for that low resolution a GTX1050ti will last long enough. So 1060 is a bit overkill for your resolution. I have used dvi to vga in old days with my gtx 660ti for long and have not faced any difference when I switched to full hdmi on that same gpu. You can google it for more details.

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

I thought even if the monitor is old i fell it's enough for me,right now i thought buying the GPU to push the frames to 60 rather than playing with the IGPU 15-25fps

photonboy · Oct 24, 2017

AniChatt :

1) first, the quality of the DAC depends on the company that made it. There's no particular advantage to DVI, HDMI or DP in that respect so get whatever seems reliable and is CHEAPEST (I'll try to link one in a separate post)

2) There is NOT an adapter included. VGA adapters that used to be included are simply connecting to the existing VGA outputs in a DVI-I output. There are no VGA outputs on a DVI-D output, hence no VGA support at all.

3) GTX1060 is "overkill" in most situations though not always because:
a) some games on max settings may still not maintain 60FPS at 1600x900, and
b) you can still run VSYNC OFF at FPS higher than 60FPS (and yes, it can make sense despite only a 60Hz refresh)

So you need an ACTIVE ADAPTER. I'll try to link one.

luketexas · Oct 24, 2017

Strangerbob :

You'll have better frame rates, if that's all that is important to you.

doubletake · Oct 24, 2017

AniChatt :

Pascal ditched DVI-I and only features DVI-D, so passive DVI->VGA adapters are no longer bundled with any 10x0 series GPUs. Anyone still clinging to a VGA only display needs to either go no further than Maxwell, or pay up for an active converter.

photonboy · Oct 24, 2017

Examples (look for good customer feedback)

DP to VGA:
$20 + tax/ship https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815242010&cm_re=displayport_to_vga-_-15-242-010-_-Product

DVI-D to VGA:
$10 https://www.amazon.com/CableDeconn-Active-FeMale-Adapter-Converter/dp/B01DW2BJWU/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1508830392&sr=1-5&keywords=dvi+to+vga

You can look further, but at $10 the above may be the best choice.

The RESOLUTION might not be auto-detected since VGA (AFAIK) has no feedback mechanism so you may need to manually choose 1600x900 at 60Hz from the desktop if it defaults to something else.

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

luketexas :

i have never played a game with more than 25 fps that's makes me irritated

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

doubletake :

thanks for relying

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

photonboy :

atm the vga to cable auto detect the 1600x900 things will change after the converter ?

photonboy · Oct 24, 2017

luketexas :

Not just that, but some games are very demanding even at 1600x900.

CPU aside (assuming no CPU bottleneck for arguments sake):
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/9.html

73FPS for that game at 1600x900, meaning it will dip below 60FPS for sure (probably not ULTRA settings, at least not every single setting from what I've observed with TECHPOWERUP).

*My point is that even if the game is showing close to 100FPS at 1600x900 you might still be barely running at max settings at 60FPS (again because they appear to drop a few settings such as max anti-aliasing).

So arguably not "overkill" for some games though I would save up for a 1920x1080, or 2560x1440 monitor (preferably IPS panel not TN).

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

photonboy :

luketexas :

Not just that, but some games are very demanding even at 1600x900.

CPU aside (assuming no CPU bottleneck for arguments sake):
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/9.html

73FPS for that game at 1600x900, meaning it will dip below 60FPS for sure (probably not ULTRA settings, at least not every single setting from what I've observed with TECHPOWERUP).

Also, in Batman AK it shows 68FPS at 2560x1440 which I know can't possibly be the highest settings since I sometimes drop below 60FPS with a GTX1080 (and good CPU, with everything working perfectly).

*My point is that even if the game is showing close to 100FPS at 1600x900 you might still be barely running at max settings at 60FPS (again because they appear to drop a few settings such as max anti-aliasing).

currently i have i5 6600 with 8gb ram what do you think is that enough ?

photonboy · Oct 24, 2017

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6NtCmG/asus-monitor-vs239hp

That's just an EXAMPLE of a fairly inexpensive monitor so i can make some points:

a) 1920x1080 or HIGHER recommended
b) IPS (not TN)
c) 6ms or lower response time
d) 22" or higher (it's 23"), though at most I'd get 24" for 1920x1080
e) customer FEEDBACK average should be fairly good

AniChatt · Oct 24, 2017

So that means a "Male DVI-D to Female VGA Adapter" will not work and a "Active DVI-D to VGA Adapter Converter - Male to Female M/F Video Adapter Cable for DVI-D Link 24+1 systems to connect to VGA displays" (collected from amazon) will work right? Don't know though but anyone of you have tried to use the first one if it works or not? Since DVI-D is full digital only signal so it is likely to get some distortion or something is a poor quality adapter is being used with it - Agreed.
Regarding the overkill stuff, a person his setup with a 1600x900 display and GTX1060 unlikely to target for a ultra settings with maxed out AA which is again not worth. For High setting it will be just fine to maintain 60+ 90% times in all modern titles at least for two years (likely).

AniChatt · Oct 24, 2017

photonboy :

Just to add for 1920x1080: 22" can be used with no AA at all which saves some fps. However 24 and more with 1080p increase the roughness of texture. So AA will be mandatory and again low fps for this.

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

AniChatt :

So that means a "Male DVI-D to Female VGA Adapter" will not work and a "Active DVI-D to VGA Adapter Converter - Male to Female M/F Video Adapter Cable for DVI-D Link 24+1 systems to connect to VGA displays" (collected from amazon) will work right? Don't know though but anyone of you have tried to use the first one if it works or not? Since DVI-D is full digital only signal so it is likely to get some distortion or something is a poor quality adapter is being used with it - Agreed.
Regarding the overkill stuff, a person his setup with a 1600x900 display and GTX1060 unlikely to target for a ultra settings with maxed out AA which is again not worth. For High setting it will be just fine to maintain 60+ 90% times in all modern titles at least for two years (likely).

active adapter > normal cable i will keep that in mind thanks

photonboy · Oct 24, 2017

AniChatt :

???
You absolutely do see benefits from AA on a 22" monitor.

The amount that gives noticeable benefit will vary by the game, though I doubt there's many games that do NOT benefit at 1920x1080 or 1600x900.

And a GTX1060 6GB card is quite powerful. Just look at the TECHPOWERUP link for the different games. You can easily get a mostly solid 60FPS on almost every game on HIGH or ULTRA settings.

Strangerbob · Oct 24, 2017

photonboy :

AniChatt :

???
You absolutely do see benefits from AA on a 22" monitor.

The amount that gives noticeable benefit will vary by the game, though I doubt there's many games that do NOT benefit at 1920x1080 or 1600x900.

And a GTX1060 6GB card is quite powerful. Just look at the TECHPOWERUP link for the different games. You can easily get a mostly solid 60FPS on almost every game on HIGH or ULTRA settings.

Thanks a lot

AniChatt · Oct 26, 2017

photonboy :

A misunderstanding. What I want to say is with a larger screen having same pixel count will provide rough images (dot pitch) if the distance between the eye and the monitor remains same. So 22" vs 27" 1920x1080 monitor if compared side by side the smaller sized one will be crisper. So 27" at 1920x1080 AA on is very necessary to improve the edge smoothness whereas in 22" you can turn off AA and the image will be still decent enough. Since AA needs gpu power so it reduces some fps in most of the titles. If I use 22 with no aa I can push the gpu to produce more fps. This is my point and that's it. I have said earlier that a 1060 is powerful and even better than a 970 that I am using with a 2560x1080 monitor.

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