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How's this for a budget build?
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FD2Raptor
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Changed some parts:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£86.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£72.12 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£72.99 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£37.79 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB StormX Video Card (£95.94 @ Aria PC)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case (£27.48 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply (£42.55 @ Aria PC)
Total: £435.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The PSU is a newer much better platform compare to the ancient EVGA B1.
A GTX1050 is the better pick especially when it's cheaper than the RX560.
The Crucial Ballistix has better chance of being able to be manually overclocked to make the Ryzen platform works better than the Value 2133 Kingston.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£86.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£72.12 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£72.99 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£37.79 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB StormX Video Card (£95.94 @ Aria PC)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case (£27.48 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply (£42.55 @ Aria PC)
Total: £435.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-29 10:18 GMT+0000
The PSU is a newer much better platform compare to the ancient EVGA B1.
A GTX1050 is the better pick especially when it's cheaper than the RX560.
The Crucial Ballistix has better chance of being able to be manually overclocked to make the Ryzen platform works better than the Value 2133 Kingston.
volkgren
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I originally thought the GTX 1050 was better, but recently looked up some comparisons and the RX 560 4GB is better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds-RDsTc428&t=161s
FD2Raptor
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With Youtube being rather wonky for me at the moment, I'll point you to someone who is practically the best at these multiple titles comparison:
Hardware Unboxed testing 30 games done with R5 1400 stock + 8GB 2666 DDR4 which would be closer to your system:
https://youtu.be/lSURL-eC-SY?t=811s
Video start time tag were manually added, so if it didn't work then just fast forward to 13:30.
I did give the video you linked a quick look and in my opinion it was not representative of the settings you'd be using on these card. Take the Deus Ex result for example: the NJ video test with 16GB of DDR4 2400 and the G4560 on that game at High settings resulting in both card dip below 30fps (35avg/26min for the RX560 vs 30/24 for the GTX 1050).
And I don't think you'll actually game at those settings justify the framerates win for the RX560 vs the HardwareUnboxed test with Medium Settings which produces the same 41avg/33min fps on both cards.
Again, Watch Dogs 2, 1080p, NJ High settings: 37/25 vs 32/21 in favor of the RX560. When HU Medium settings: 55/50 vs 51/42 in favor of the GTX1050.
Not to mention the weird thing like Rise of Tomb Raider result with HU video with both on DX12 Medium SMAA, 47/32 GTX1050 vs 47/35 RX560, yet the NJ video shows Very High settings, DX11 GTX1050 48/35 vs DX12 57/36.
Hardware Unboxed testing 30 games done with R5 1400 stock + 8GB 2666 DDR4 which would be closer to your system:
https://youtu.be/lSURL-eC-SY?t=811s
Video start time tag were manually added, so if it didn't work then just fast forward to 13:30.
I did give the video you linked a quick look and in my opinion it was not representative of the settings you'd be using on these card. Take the Deus Ex result for example: the NJ video test with 16GB of DDR4 2400 and the G4560 on that game at High settings resulting in both card dip below 30fps (35avg/26min for the RX560 vs 30/24 for the GTX 1050).
And I don't think you'll actually game at those settings justify the framerates win for the RX560 vs the HardwareUnboxed test with Medium Settings which produces the same 41avg/33min fps on both cards.
Again, Watch Dogs 2, 1080p, NJ High settings: 37/25 vs 32/21 in favor of the RX560. When HU Medium settings: 55/50 vs 51/42 in favor of the GTX1050.
Not to mention the weird thing like Rise of Tomb Raider result with HU video with both on DX12 Medium SMAA, 47/32 GTX1050 vs 47/35 RX560, yet the NJ video shows Very High settings, DX11 GTX1050 48/35 vs DX12 57/36.
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That EVGA psu is HEC built junk. Ryzen should be paired with at least 2666 ram. Slightly over 450, but you get a better GPU this way.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£86.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VDH Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£65.90 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£68.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£33.19 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PNY - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card (£129.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Zalman - T2 Plus MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£23.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply (£42.55 @ Aria PC)
Total: £450.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-29 17:52 GMT+0000
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£86.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VDH Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£65.90 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£68.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£33.19 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PNY - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card (£129.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Zalman - T2 Plus MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£23.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply (£42.55 @ Aria PC)
Total: £450.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-29 17:52 GMT+0000
FD2Raptor
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Seagate ES:
"This drive is a top branded clean pull with 6 month warranty, the drive has been removed out of a pre-built computer and may show on SMART information previous power-on time."
So effectively 2nd hand HDD is ok for you.
And at least do some due diligence and check for availability before throwing out your PCPP list. The LPX 8GB is out of stock at Ebuyer. PCPP has crappy availability check outside the US.
"This drive is a top branded clean pull with 6 month warranty, the drive has been removed out of a pre-built computer and may show on SMART information previous power-on time."
So effectively 2nd hand HDD is ok for you.
And at least do some due diligence and check for availability before throwing out your PCPP list. The LPX 8GB is out of stock at Ebuyer. PCPP has crappy availability check outside the US.
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Looks like it is in stock to me, but the price did go up. 
https://www.ebuyer.com/719220-corsair-vengeance-lpx-8gb-2x4gb-ddr4-dram-2666mhz-c16-memory-kit-cmk8gx4m2a2666c16
I have used 2nd hand HDD quite often actually. I was trying to keep the price as close to budget as possible. If the OP wants to spend a bit more, to get new drive, more power to them.
https://www.ebuyer.com/719220-corsair-vengeance-lpx-8gb-2x4gb-ddr4-dram-2666mhz-c16-memory-kit-cmk8gx4m2a2666c16
I have used 2nd hand HDD quite often actually. I was trying to keep the price as close to budget as possible. If the OP wants to spend a bit more, to get new drive, more power to them.
FD2Raptor
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I know as a matter of fact that it was out of stock on the 29th at the very least:
Price went up a while ago; they just left the price as it was when it was last in stock on aggregator sites simply a tactic to attract visitors to a non-existant price so that they can then advertise the other products on their store to said visitor.
Plus PCPP usual incorrect stock reporting, eg: Gskill Ripjaws 4
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/cLkwrH/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8grr
Reported as £59.3 @ Amazon but is actually £106.47, dispatched from and sold by Bora-Computer GbR.
Adata XPG Z1:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/WMfp99/a-data-memory-ax4u2400w4g16drz
Reported as £63.57 @ Amazon but is actually
I used to say that this kind of false stock/price reporting by PCPP only happens for PCPP outside of the US, but now with all sort of stock limitation on all kinds of hardware, even accurate stock reporting for US isn't guaranteed:
Team - Dark Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200, reported as $85.99 @ Newegg
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dfvZxr/team-memory-tdprd48g3200hc16adc0
And regarding hard disk, would you recommend the use of a 2nd hand hard drive with unknown amount of wear and tear as the only drive in the system? That is the question arisen from your recommendation because the "If the OP wants to spend a bit more, to get new drive, more power to them." bit certainly wasn't there in your original post. You can't assume someone coming in asking for advice to "know better" to choose when to go along or against recommendations/suggestions by someone they'd assumed to be more informed/knowledgeable.
Price went up a while ago; they just left the price as it was when it was last in stock on aggregator sites simply a tactic to attract visitors to a non-existant price so that they can then advertise the other products on their store to said visitor.
Plus PCPP usual incorrect stock reporting, eg: Gskill Ripjaws 4
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/cLkwrH/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8grr
Reported as £59.3 @ Amazon but is actually £106.47, dispatched from and sold by Bora-Computer GbR.
Adata XPG Z1:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/WMfp99/a-data-memory-ax4u2400w4g16drz
Reported as £63.57 @ Amazon but is actually
or £139.02 + £18.16 UK delivery from TECNOMARKET, dispatched from Italy.
I used to say that this kind of false stock/price reporting by PCPP only happens for PCPP outside of the US, but now with all sort of stock limitation on all kinds of hardware, even accurate stock reporting for US isn't guaranteed:
Team - Dark Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200, reported as $85.99 @ Newegg
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dfvZxr/team-memory-tdprd48g3200hc16adc0
And regarding hard disk, would you recommend the use of a 2nd hand hard drive with unknown amount of wear and tear as the only drive in the system? That is the question arisen from your recommendation because the "If the OP wants to spend a bit more, to get new drive, more power to them." bit certainly wasn't there in your original post. You can't assume someone coming in asking for advice to "know better" to choose when to go along or against recommendations/suggestions by someone they'd assumed to be more informed/knowledgeable.
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