Gaming pc! Two builds, only one can leave the battle...

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

I have two builds and I wonder if I should sacrifice the SSD for a better graphics card because I can always add it in the future.
Which one is better:
1-https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/kcYzqk
2-https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7tVvpb

freercurse · Nov 7, 2017

I would say look at building a coffee lake build, especially with the core counts

bjornl · Nov 7, 2017

bor.bil :

I'd take the 1070 build, but I would cut the ram in half and keep the SSD. Swapping in a SSD boot disk is mildly involved. While popping in 2 more sticks takes 30 seconds, and odds are 8gb will be enough. Almost nothing benefits from more than 8gb.

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

Neither is good imo as for upgrade path reason. Get I5-8400/ Ryzen 1600 build for that budget. Do you own the monitor/psu already? SSD is good to have, but you can add it later since gpu sell and switch is harder.

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

No I do not own the PSU yet

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

and how is the i5-8400 better?

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

and the ryzen has more cores but the intel i5-7600k still performs better ingame

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

bor.bil :

Better single core and extra 2 cores

Not to mention the new Z370 MB will support 1-2 more new gens of Intel but MB for 7600k can't.

Some comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVh04Ttfcr0

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

I dont want to raise the budget any higher than it alread is

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

im not looking to upgrade again any time soon, which one would you recommend then?

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

bor.bil :

Not so true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

Two routes:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (£173.99 @ BT Shop)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£109.97 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£152.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£72.49 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.34 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card (£389.94 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£49.36 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£62.99 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1050.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-07 21:17 GMT+0000

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

What would i need to change if i were to go for the Ryzen?

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£169.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard (£76.97 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£152.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£72.49 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.34 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card (£389.94 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£49.36 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£62.99 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1013.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-07 21:18 GMT+0000

bjornl · Nov 7, 2017

Here is a build which performs better in games for slightly less than your build.
I used mostly your parts. There was a smoking deal on a teir 1 PSU, so I took that instead.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (£173.99 @ BT Shop)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£99.98 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£81.42 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£87.99 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Dual Video Card (£419.98 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case (£37.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£62.99 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1019.34

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

This has a faster gaming CPU and a faster video card. I did trim the ram to 8gb, But that won't keep this from being the fastest possible gaming rig in your budget and should you decide to add ram later, it is the simplest possible upgrade.
This will be faster at gaming than the ryzen. Numerous tests to demonstrate. Not to mention the faster video card.

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

what if I were to integrate the ryzen r5 1600x into the build?

bjornl · Nov 7, 2017

bor.bil :

No advantage to gaming. Faster than a 1600, though. The 1600x is routinely beating in gaming by the i5-8400
The Ryzen line up has one advantage, and that is that they are slightly cheaper. But you pay for that savings with less performance.

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

Upgrading ram is not as easy as it used to be. Buy another 8 gb stick may not work with the first stick. Just an FYI. GTX 1070 should handle that 1080p 144Hz monitor pretty well.

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

bor.bil :

1600X does not have stock cooler, so you will need to add that into the build.
1600 has a decent cooler and can easily overclock to on par or better than 1600X stock.
My 1600 is OCed @ 3.8G with stock cooler without temp issues. 1600 should suffice.

bjornl · Nov 7, 2017

vapour :

But not as well as a 1070ti. Also a ~5-10% disadvantage in games from the CPU as well. As new features get rolled out the trend is pretty solid towards always needing more gaming performance a few days/weeks/months in the future. No reason to start out slower to avoid upgrading ram. And upgrading ram has not gotten harder. It is the same as it ever was. You have to match times now and you did 20 years ago too. We do plenty of them on an ongoing basis.

The fastest gaming is the fastest video card with a fast enough CPU. The i5-8400 with the same GPU as a 1600 will beat it; but the difference will be greater when you compare a 1070ti vs a 1070.

Here is a recent (this month) review of multiple CPUs for PC gaming by PCgamer.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-best-pc-gaming-cpus-processors/

Here is Tom's hardware's just published 1070ti review:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb,5311-20.html

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

vapour :

Vapour you seem like you know what youre doing and thanks for the help btw, would you recommend the amd ryzen 1600x or the intel i5-8400

bor.bil · Nov 7, 2017

and id prefer to have a solid 16 gb of ram for future

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

bjornl :

You will need to get rid of that 8gb and a set of 16gb while 1070 ti is not bringing any real FPS improvement to 1080p 144Hz monitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IyLfHiCc5o
I will get 16gb now.
@OP
It is your call.

bjornl · Nov 7, 2017

vapour :

No you won't. We did 4 upgrades just this week without throwing away the old ram. It is as I said, you have to match the times. Not hard to do.

vapour · Nov 7, 2017

bor.bil :

@ OP

What potential usage other than gaming can you imagine? Any thoughts on video editing/rendering/programming etc.?

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