Should I upgrade to a i7 4790k from an i5 4690k?

gojira_shinigami

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I mostly just game and on occasion I stream as well, I am thinking about getting a new processor an i7, but I'm not sure if I should stay within the same generation and just upgrade to the 4790k or actually do a full blown upgrade to the 8700k model.

Also I'm gaming currently on an ultrawide monitor and I'd like to hit the 100hz mark on my games, I'm running a GTX 1070, and would a 4790k be the better upgrade over say acquiring a GTX 1080 ti?
 
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the thing is that OP already has the MB for the 4790K. and just for the reference, gaming performance of the 4th, 6th and 7th gen is the same on the same clock. So considering that ryzen, beside the CPU, also requires MB + RAM puts it in way beyond the price of the 4770K or 4790K. Not to mention that in short term, they will beat any ryzen in all but two games (high fps AND no significant frame time fluctuation is required to win). in long term, I guess ryzen 1700 and up would be a better choice for upcoming games.

So, i'd not consider ryzen at all for this case as:
1. 4770K / 4790K are cheaper than any ryzen upgrade and will do better than most ryzens for at least another couple of years.
2. 8700K is as expensive as top ryzen...
1080ti is only needed if you are going to be doing 4k/VR really. A 1070 or 1070ti can do 100 fps 1080/1440p no problem. The 1070ti is probably a better choice right now, it can nearly match the 1080 in performance.

As far as your cpu question it depends on price. I you find a cheap one then sure, which given how CPUs seem to not decrease in cost new I find unlikely, but honestly for your needs just to the full upgrade and get the i5 8400 or 8600k as the i7 8700k isn't going to do alot for you.
 
I have 3440x1440p@100Hz monitor + 4770K (which is the same as 4790K for games) and GTX 1070.
you can't hit 100FPS on 3440x1440 with GTX 1070 in every game on max settings.
if you play new AAA titles AND want to stream AND want to have 100 FPS, 8700K is a better idea.
but for now, I'd recommend to wait for the next cycle of CPU releases. the 9th gen from intel and whatever ryzen refresh from AMD. they are about 9 months away
 

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Seriously n0ns3n3e? An EASY button?

For all intents and purposes, the 4x i5/i7 4th gen cpus are all the same, there's very little difference between the Haswell and refresh, especially at 60Hz, but the refresh do have a very small advantage at 100Hz and up. So starting there it's a decision between i5 and i7. For many games, this won't amount to much difference, especially single thread heavy games like cs:go, farcry, skyrim, LoL etc as they only use 4 or less threads. The biggest difference will be in the remaining games which can use more than 4 threads, like GTA 5, WoW, Starwars Battlefront/2, pubg, BF1 which can show an extra 20-30+ fps over i5 scores. With a 100Hz+ monitor this could be important for smoother gameplay. This is one of the bigger advantages of the Ryzen series, available threads, even if they are equitable to Haswell IPC.

To a cpu, resolution doesn't really matter, it's going to process the same data for a 4k as it does a 1080p. What kills a cpu is having to shunt that info to the gpu at higher fps. An i5-8400 has no issues with a 4k/60Hz, but swap that for a 1080p/144Hz and you have problems. Resolution is all about the gpu, 1080p is relatively easy for any modern gpu, change that to 4k and you'll need a 1080/ti.

So where are you going? A swap to a i7 from i5 is a benefit, but only if you take advantage of it. If all you play is cs:go, then there's no benefit, if you game mostly BF1 then there's plenty of benefit. But jumping from a 1070 to a 1080ti for 1080p/144Hz won't be of much help if bogged down by a cpu that can't process the info fast enough because of lack of threads to handle the load.

For the money, unless you can get an i7 cheap, a swap to a Ryzen 5 1600 platform would solve any issues.
 
^ why not, I like to hit it when i'm done codding or had a great FPS match :) i'm also non US and bought it long time ago when I was on my firs visits to US.

AMD do not solve high FPS issue. ryzens do provide more threads that can be used for streaming etc, but most games do not scale with cores as well as they do with frequency. So Intel remains the only viable solution for 100+ and i5-8600K will do better than any ryzen. not to mention i7-8700K
I wish it would change some day as i'm kinda bored of intel + nvidia for my systems in the past decade or more.
 

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I'll add that i typically play games like Batman Arkham Knight, The Witcher 3, recently got into Rise of the Tomb Raider, and League of Legends. I've seen 4790k processors on ebay for roughly around $250.00.

I've thought about Ryzen upgrade since it has several more cores, and threads, but I wasn't sure how much of an improvement I'd get with ryzen or coffee lake over the 4790k.

I should also mention with games like The Witcher 3 the Foilage settings, and the amount of people in the cities and villages are important to me more so than several other graphical settings, I'd typically set everything to medium, but those two settings which I toggle between high and max.

Would the i7 benefit me more for the 100fps mark more so than a 1080 ti?
 

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Well of course the Intel will be better, it's CoffeeLake IPC vrs Haswell equivalent with the Ryzen, that's a 20% (or so) difference right off the batt, not to mention the 6c/6t or 6c/12t cpu really picking up its game. But vrs any prior cpu (except the i7-7700k and possibly the i7-6700k) the Ryzen hold their own, especially with some fast ram and a decent OC. At lower cost. Kinda hard to beat the 8 threads of a 1500x at less than $200 vrs a i7-4790k at over $300. AMD that's not counting mobo prices. I'd sacrifice a few fps for that difference since those fps will be over monitor refresh anyways.
 
the thing is that OP already has the MB for the 4790K. and just for the reference, gaming performance of the 4th, 6th and 7th gen is the same on the same clock. So considering that ryzen, beside the CPU, also requires MB + RAM puts it in way beyond the price of the 4770K or 4790K. Not to mention that in short term, they will beat any ryzen in all but two games (high fps AND no significant frame time fluctuation is required to win). in long term, I guess ryzen 1700 and up would be a better choice for upcoming games.

So, i'd not consider ryzen at all for this case as:
1. 4770K / 4790K are cheaper than any ryzen upgrade and will do better than most ryzens for at least another couple of years.
2. 8700K is as expensive as top ryzen options while providing more performance.

though again, if games are playable at desired settings - I'd wait for the next gen, as next intel release will be at least 10nm (after 3gens of 14nm) which leaves hope for much fun.

Now to the OP and the question of what would be benefit me more - CPU or GPU ?
there is a simple test that can be done:
1. play your game at usual settings and record the FPS
2. lower the render resolution in games settings and lay the same scene and record the FPS
compare the FPS:
if the FPS remains about the same - do a CPU upgrade.
if the FPS improves significantly - do a GPU upgrade.

If your ultrawide 3440x1440 (and i guess it is judging by the 100Hz refresh rate) with 1080Ti you'd definitely improve your experience as you are not playing on the highest settings already. On the other hand, pascal is here for almost two years, so the next gen can't be that far, but there is always something around the corner.

P.S.
As a side note, settings like number of objects like # of people in the scene that are moving and may interact with the environment, are more tasking for the CPU. though trees are more on the GPU side.
 
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I did it with three games, the two I play the most as of now and I've barely begun playing Rise of the Tomb Raider, but I did what you said on The Witcher 3 and Batman Arkham Knight, I'm aware of the horrible port that Arkham Knight was since I purchased the game before it came out and I didn't even bother with a refund, and played through it with the horrible graphics day of release as well.

I saw significant strides in fps performance with The Witcher 3 when I lowered the resolution to 2560 X 1080, I was able to maintain over 100fps upwards to 150 fps when out in the open fields, and when was engaging in battle with beasts such as wolves or other creatures the fps fell to about 120fps, still buttery smooth for my monitor. At 3440 X 1440 the fps was roughly about 94 to slightly over 100fps in the open fields, but fell to around 80 or 75 fps when engaged in battle as well with multiple targets. This would lead me to believe perhaps a GPU upgrade would be better, however that wasn't the case with Batman Arkham Knight.

Batman Arkham Knight I did the same things, but I saw no real gains at all even when I lowered the resolution to 2560 x 1080, it played nearly Identical to the 3440 x 1440 resolution I originally had it at. My thoughts on that are that the game hasn't had a great history behind it and perhaps is not a suitable game to be testing on for any sort accurate results, which will probably lead me to believe I should try another game, and Rise of the Tomb Raider is another game I tested and the there significant improvements by about 20 fps at times, and it never once dipped below 60 and even ventured upwards of 90fps at 2560 x 1080, while at 3440 x 1440 I had the fps drop to about 47fps.

Honestly this is leading me to believe I should purchase a GPU instead of a CPU

I am leaning more towards the CPU side of things though, other things have come to mind about my upgrade, I'd like to potentially max out the performance of my current build, and start a new build with a new tower such as the Cooler Master Styrker tower, I'd like to potentially utilize Ice Lake with it when that CPU arrives.

My motherboard MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition can also support the Broadwell architecture, the i7 5775c, but I read it needs DDR3L not sure if I'd have to replace my 20gbs of ram which is not something I'd like not to do, so I might stick with my original plan of the 4790k.

Either way I do appreciate all the responses they've been extremely helpful, again i should state that I'm not a graphics hound when it comes to games, I'm of FPS minded gamer, but admittedly there are certain graphical settings that I simply do not like to compromise on such as the number of characters in the backgrounds of games, or say the foilage, to a certain degree the shadows as well as long as they dont look like trash.

That being said my CPU does max out at 100 percent usage, so I suppose my current hardware would benefit more from a CPU upgrade I think, and future graphic cards can be implemented, and if the trend holds true for NVIDIA then the 1170 or 2070 whatever they call the Volta cards, will probably be on par with the performance of a 1080 ti at a cheaper cost which should be roughly 7 months away probably.
 

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Kinda boils down to priorities then. You'll find some games are more thread/clock dependent and some games are more gpu power dependent. This is much less evident at 1080p/1440p - 60Hz since even lower grade gpus don't have much issue getting 100fps and cpus are over powered. But your monitor is a beast! I'm jealous lol. So you'll need both a cpu with threads/clock to cover the broader range of games yet also need a gpu of sufficient power to handle the resolution/refresh. My opinion being that the cpu comes first, as shown by nonsense build, his i7/1070 works fine on his monitor, whereas your i5/1070 is lagging in some games due to 100% usage and lack of threads. A choice of improve the games you already play decent or improve the games you don't.
 

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I just want to say thank you again for the help, and the upgrade has been better than I anticipated, I've typically stayed within the i5 processor area for my computer builds, and this is my first I7 Processor, the i7 4790k, and it's amazing, I've been able to have more applications open at the same time at least with videos, and my gaming experience has been very pleasant since I can maintain 60fps plus more often than not on the Witcher 3 and even improvements on Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Batman Arkham Knight, thanks again for all the advice, I'm so glad I got my 4790k.

Now on to the next upgrade lol. :D