Packard Bell Legend 301CD won't boot

stevel55

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While waiting for a hard drive for another old computer I decided to try to revive my old Packard Bell Legend 301CD with a 2 gig Quantum Fireball HD
When I first booted up I got a message indicating that the battery was dead so I attached a CR2032 battery to the Dallas Realtime clock. Then I removed everything except the hard drive and floppy disk drive.

The hard drive has nothing on it. I formatted it with Windows 10

I couldn't boot even to drive A with the hard drive attached but I was able to boot with just the floppy drive attached using the number one DOS6 installation disk.

With the hard disk installed the start up screen froze after:

AMIBIOS (C) 1992 American Megatrends.inc BIOS version 1.009.09
008192 kb
Keyboard detected
Mouse detected

I turned the computer off and unplugged the HD then in addition to the above I got:

CMOS System Options not set,
Memory size
Floppy drive B Failure
for setup <F1>, <ESC> to boot


When attempting to get in to the BIOS I entered F1 and got:

Password (1)

I didn't have a password so I unplugged the computer and disconnected the battery for a minute or so.

Then I was able to get into the BIOS.

I changed to the current date and time, Changed the boot order from C then A to A then C.
I set the A drive as a 3.5 1.44 and left B as not installed

After saving changes I restarted and got the same:

CMOS System Options not set
Memory size
Floppy drive B Failure
for setup <F1>, <ESC> to boot

I pressed F1 and found that the date was wrong so I changed it and the other settings again.

While the computer was running I decided to see if the connection to the battery was getting power so I used a multimeter and found 2 volts at the battery and where it was connected to the Dallas Realtime clock. I checked again with the computer off and got the same.

I restarted and got a black screen. I unplugged the floppy drive and the hard drive and restarted and still get a black screen.

I'm suspecting that if the default CMOS setting is drive C then A, that's why I couldn't boot to A with the hard drive attached. I'm also wondering if the Dallas Realtime clock has more wrong with it than just the battery. Or, there if something wrong with the connection at the Real time clock.

Any other ideas of what's going on and what to do about it?
 

Pentium4User

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Now I know you checked the voltage but try checking the solder points and see if any are cracked and also I herd and had that bios chips can go bad, The one I experienced is when I bought a computer on ebay because the case was a certain model I liked and made of tough tough steel and the board that came with it I revived it but the time and settings will never save even with a new battery and after researching I found out it was the chip.
 

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Thanks Pentium4User,
The solder joints seem OK and I'm not getting the dead battery error so I think you may be right about the chip. Would that explain the black screen too?
 

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Black screen maybe another issue try resitting the ram because it been sitting for awhile and maybe dust build up.

 

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Thanks Pentium4User,

I've had the ram out before but to be sure I just reset it, then switched the 2 RAM banks and tried to start with no RAM so it's down to just the motherboard and always get the black screen. No beeps either. Previously one RAM bank that wasn't seated properly and I got a long high beep then long low beep and long high beep so no beeps worries me. I tested the monitor on another computer and it works fine.
 

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Hmmmm you tried everything. Try looking for any corrosion because that the last thing I can think of, check the voltage of the power supply since sometimes I herd capacitors can go bad depending how old or what brand of caps they are in the power supply.
If the voltage in the power supply are good Then it the bios chip that probably died or the corrosion I would wash it if you have a dishwasher put it in sometimes it brings it back to life like my compaq motherboard.

 

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The motherboard had a bath and is now in the computer. With no RAM I get 1 beep and a black screen. With the RAM in I get the long high, low, high beep. I thoroughly blew the motherboard with compressed air but there may be some moisture still in the memory banks that will dry in a few hours. However, since I still get the black screen I think the next step is to replace the Dallas DS12887 Real time. It's soldered in a bunch of places. I have a small air grinder that I can grind the ends of the connections from the back of the motherboard. Is that the way to go or is there a better method of removing the DS12887?

 

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You can use a small grinder to remove it but look up some stuff about the Dallas DS12887 you can mod it and make it use a Cr2032. here a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdlSfqto_0o.
Instead of replacing the whole thing and in the future having to do it again.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I had done that. Originally I got a message indicating that the battery was dead. After the modification I didn't get the dead battery message but I still got the message that said the CMOS settings needed to be updated. The last thing I did before the screen went black on start up was to check the voltage where I soldered the connections. The voltage said about 2 volts at the battery and at the connection.

 

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sorry I haven't responded but, ok then the the dallas chip shouldn't have anything to deal with it you can remove the whole thing just in case if it causing the issue. but I really think the board was dead/dieing because 2 volts still is good enough for bios settings and it was resetting the settings after saving while the pc was still plugged in right? And we washed it just in case of corrosion and now it has the high low beep you know how many times it beeps it made?

 

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Thanks for the reply. I had done that. Originally I got a message indicating that the battery was dead. After the modification I didn't get the dead battery message but I still got the message that said the CMOS settings needed to be updated. The last thing I did before the screen went black on start up was to check the voltage where I soldered the connections. The voltage said about 2 volts at the battery and at the connection.

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sorry I haven't responded but, ok then the the dallas chip shouldn't have anything to deal with it you can remove the whole thing just in case if it causing the issue. but I really think the board was dead/dieing because 2 volts still is good enough for bios settings and it was resetting the settings after saving while the pc was still plugged in right? And we washed it just in case of corrosion and now it has the high low beep you know how many times it beeps it made?

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No problem! I always turn the computer off by switching off the anti surge power strip. I accidentally found out why I had a black screen. The plug that the monitor is in must have had some corrosion. I plugged it in and out several times and now it works fine. However, I think you are correct about the dying motherboard. It says I need a boot disk even though one was inserted. I tried the boot disk in another computer and it worked. I replaced the floppy drive and also got the message that says I need to insert a boot disk. So, it looks like the floppy disk controller is bad. The beeps were one long low beep, one long high beep and one long low beep. I turned the computer off and pressed down on the RAM and restarted it and there was no beeps. The floppy problem sealed the deal of making me think the motherboard is bad. That's what I get for leaving it in a shed for about 20 years with the cover off.



 

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sorry I haven't responded but, ok then the the dallas chip shouldn't have anything to deal with it you can remove the whole thing just in case if it causing the issue. but I really think the board was dead/dieing because 2 volts still is good enough for bios settings and it was resetting the settings after saving while the pc was still plugged in right? And we washed it just in case of corrosion and now it has the high low beep you know how many times it beeps it made?

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No problem! I always turn the computer off by switching off the anti surge power strip. I accidentally found out why I had a black screen. The plug that the monitor is in must have had some corrosion. I plugged it in and out several times and now it works fine. However, I think you are correct about the dying motherboard. It says I need a boot disk even though one was inserted. I tried the boot disk in another computer and it worked. I replaced the floppy drive and also got the message that says I need to insert a boot disk. So, it looks like the floppy disk controller is bad. The beeps were one long low beep, one long high beep and one long low beep. I turned the computer off and pressed down on the RAM and restarted it and there was no beeps. The floppy problem sealed the deal of making me think the motherboard is bad. That's what I get for leaving it in a shed for about 20 years with the cover off.



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In the shed 20 years yeah that most likely the reason it died. Still kinda weird that the bios chip was failed guess the corrosion really messed things up.
 

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No problem! I always turn the computer off by switching off the anti surge power strip. I accidentally found out why I had a black screen. The plug that the monitor is in must have had some corrosion. I plugged it in and out several times and now it works fine. However, I think you are correct about the dying motherboard. It says I need a boot disk even though one was inserted. I tried the boot disk in another computer and it worked. I replaced the floppy drive and also got the message that says I need to insert a boot disk. So, it looks like the floppy disk controller is bad. The beeps were one long low beep, one long high beep and one long low beep. I turned the computer off and pressed down on the RAM and restarted it and there was no beeps. The floppy problem sealed the deal of making me think the motherboard is bad. That's what I get for leaving it in a shed for about 20 years with the cover off.



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In the shed 20 years yeah that most likely the reason it died. Still kinda weird that the bios chip was failed guess the corrosion really messed things up. [/quotemsg]

This is all new to me so it's been a good learning experience. It sounds like corrosion can be a major problem. Thanks for all of your help!