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Quincy_1

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Alright so my friend needs a gaming rig but he's on a tight budget. His favorite game right now is PUBG and i want the rig to be capable of performing well in that game especially. Here's what I've got so far:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Phtz2R

i5 7500 cpu
AsRock b250m pro4 mobo
Ripjaw series V DDR4 2400 ram 2x4gb
EVGA GTX 1050 ti
Thermaltake SMART series 650w PSU
Apevia X-Pioneer green case

plus an existing 1tb HDD with an existing windows 7 installation and a spare optical drive... i've tried look all this up but some of the things just seem to be hard to put my finger down on.

Main question besides the general 'is this a good idea' thing is that I know kaby lake doesn't like win 7 but can we limp it to the barn with this until he has the money to add on an SSD with win 10 in a couple months or so? And is there anything fancy we'll have to do to get it running or will the hardware installation discs be enough? i was hoping having his win 7 already installed on the old hdd would simplify it.

beyond that should he also look at adding in more than 8 gigs of ram? i've heard PUBG uses a heap of it so I was thinking probably later but not essential for right now... does that sound about right or is 8 enough for the long haul?

I also thought about building him a crappier G4560 rig but I was afraid it would be too meager for PUBG.. but I haven't played the game so I honestly am just going on a few hours of searching forums and review sites and benchmarks and such when trying to figure this all out.. am I underestimating that little guy or is crappy the right term to be using with it?

either way that's the situation and i'd love to get a little feedback from the outside world on this. I don't know whether I'm overkilling this or if he's gonna boot up his game and be disappointed after spending all this money if it runs like crap... i've tried my best to hone in on the sweet spot and this is what i've come up with. if anyone with more experience on this stuff could give me their opinion on it i'd really appreciate it!
 

gussrtk

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well.. you cannot use win7 with the 7500... so you have to add that to the cost.

I think this here would be something to look at, you could tweak the slection a bit.. but there isn't much room, I also included win10 in there. an RX570 for another 30$ would be wroth it though

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($121.95 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB OC Edition Video Card ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill - STEALTH ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill - 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $755.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-19 22:48 EST-0500
 

R_1

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Pubg is terribly optimized at this point

if windows 7 is installed already on the drive it will not boot on new hardware. you can download windows 10 and run it inactivated until you can purchase a key.

https://pubg.gamepedia.com/System_Requirements
8GB is the minimum I would get at this point for any system for gaming. pubg calls for 6GB
PUBG has minimum requirements of a fx-6300. the g4560 handily beats the 6300
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-FX-6300/3892vs1555
results are a generalization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nUHvtBW0B8
and this is with a gt 1030 the 1050 ti is much faster
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/3649vsm283726
again generalizations only

what is budget? what parts already owned?
 

Quincy_1

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hrmm.. so there is no workarounds at all to the windows 7 issue? i thought I might of read something about it... what if i go the fresh os install route and use that driver slipstream thing?

that aside after looking at that ram it might be better off getting the 16 gig kit due to the one i was looking at being so high in price... can prolly save the difference by going with that other power supply anyway.

and I did look at the new coffee lake chips and heard they were nice but the motherboard prices on top of the incremental cpu price increase were just a little too high to go that route.

and the case is kind of set in stone because my friend really wants it to be green and between the green lights and green side panel on that otherwise black case (they show the default white model in pcpartpicker) it just really hooked him as i already showed it to him.

budget is intended to be 600 but at 700 and counting it's not looking good lol.. but i feel like squeezing in that i5 is the best way to go given his tendency to like games that are terrible to run x.x
 

R_1

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($125.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($80.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Apevia - X-PIONEER-GN ATX Mid Tower Case ($70.00)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $631.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-20 01:22 EST-0500

same performance as the i5, the EVGA is a far better PSU 7 year warranty.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8100/3648vs3942
the memory is on the QVL F4-2400C15D just larger modules, should be fine
 
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Quincy_1

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oh, i was thinking the i3 was 2 cores.. i just checked but it says it has 4 and I saw a lot of people saying 4 cores was the sweet spot for gaming..

also after reconsidering what you guys said and looking into the win 10 trial I think we are gonna go that route and he will pay to activate it when he can... the thing with the psu is that he has a best buy account where he can take up to 6 months to pay for things with no fees and we were gonna order as much as we can from there to give him the leeway so the 80 dollar amazon psu is less appealing for that reason.. but the 30 dollar rosewill one is enticing as it's semi modular.

we also have an existing cx430m that he wanted to keep using if possible but as the last pc died from taking a fall down stairs while being moved when the case handle broke I just wasn't sure if I trusted it still... plus 430w feels tight... plus a lot of people around the internet seem to not like the cx series psus... although in it's defense the reviews on best buy are 4 and a half stars if that can be trusted lol.

i'm starting to feel like i'm over complicating this now by rethinking it so much but that i3-8100 is making me question my choices now
 

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Just input about the g4560, it runs PUBG at avrg 40fps with a suitable GPU. It does have lag drops but is playable with decent settings. Dont put it down so fast. Yes the new i3 is better as it has 4 cores 4 threads whilst g4560 only has 2 cores 4 threads. G4560 is still a great budget option for all games but it is recommened to save just a little more for coffee lake