Is the upgrade worth it? (Core i5 4690 --> Ryzen 5 1600)

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

I'm planning on upgrading my PC to the point where few parts of my old PC are left.
Right now I have an i5 4690 and it looks like the Ryzen 5 1600 is a very good CPU. I also plan on overclocking the Ryzen (my i5 is locked) and I have a CM Hyper 212 cooler. How far could I get it and how would the ryzen overclock compare to my old i5 in games specificly (since I'm pretty sure the Ryzen will beat the i5 in productivity).
So the ryzen seems very good for it's price but..
How worth it is the upgrade?
My main reason for upgrading is:
1. When playing games my CPU usage goes to 100% and my mouse totally lags out destroying my aim
2. My parts feel old and ugly

I'm using my PC for gaming and video editing. Do you guys think it's worth it? I'm planning to buy it on black friday tomorrow.
Thanks

Edit: thanks for all the super quick replies!!

Edit 2: unselected best answer cause I haven't made a decision yet and I don't feel like no answer is "the best answer" no more

R_1 · Nov 23, 2017

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4690-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/2311vs3919
generalizations only, but they are a pretty much match. not so much a upgrade as a lateral move.

the extra threads the 1600 brings will help in productivity but not so much in gaming.

exroofer · Nov 23, 2017

Yes it would be worth it, especially since you say you want to video edit, as well as currently having your cpu pegged to 100%.
Get a decent mobo and ram, ryzen loves fast ram.
You can use your Hyper 212 Evo, but you will need a AM4 mounting bracket for it.
Should be available on the Coolermaster website.
3.9-4.0 Ghz is easily attainable on very nearly every Ryzen cpu, some need a little more tweaking than others to get there. Motherboard quality comes in to play here.

For straight up gaming, your 4690 is still fairly capable, but with what you want to do, a 1600 would be a noticeable upgrade.

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

R_1 :

Ok, but the 1600 wouldn't be worse for gaming? And improve productivity by alot and hopefully solve my high cpu usage when gaming?

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

exroofer :

Ok, thank you. Do you think the MSI B350 Tomahawk would be a good choice? I'm not planning on doing SLI since my current graphics card doesn't support it anyway.

exroofer · Nov 23, 2017

It would be as good or better generally for gaming, and significantly better in modern/future titles that are multi threaded.
An example I currently play is Gold Rush. I see cpu use across at LEAST 8 threads in that game.
Leaving the rest to do Windows stuff etc.

guanyu210379 · Nov 23, 2017

For games: it depends on what games you are playing
For productivity: it depends on how heavy your works are
R5 1600 is an upgrade but how big is the jump or if the jump is worth it..this is the question...

I5 4690 is still fully ok for today. The main difference to R5 1600 is the number of cores and threads it can handle.
The core speed does not really differ much.

Mosue lagging in games?
I am still on E3-1231V3, which is more or less I7 4770 (no-k and without iGPU). Everything is still ok here. I do not really think the lagging is because your proc is weak.
I already on GTX1080..I dunno about your GPU GTX760, perhaps this is the culprit in new games.
I would try upgrading the GPU first and see if the problem persist.
I would also really check if your PC is free from any hogging apps/viruses, etc.

If your games and work really are profiting from more cores/threads, I would even push to Ryzen 7 1700 or I7 8700k

R_1 · Nov 23, 2017

hblomqvist :

no worse for gaming. most games can max 4 cores so the extra cores are not for much gaming wise.

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

guanyu210379 :

Oh sorry, my setup on my profile was outdated. I've got a MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X. I have also wiped my hard drive and the problem consists. It's not my mouse, it works fine on other PCs and the lag only occurs when CPU usage is high. If I set games to high priority it lags more and lower priority lags less.

I play pretty much everything: Battlefield 1, GTA V, CS:GO, PUBG, Resident Evil 7 are the big titles I play

guanyu210379 · Nov 23, 2017

BF1, GTA V? ah..ok..you will see improvement on those games by using Ryzen 5 1600.
hmmm...care to go higher to Ryzen 7 1700 or I7 8700k?

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

guanyu210379 :

Well, would that improve gaming much or mostly productivity?

exroofer · Nov 23, 2017

Buildzoid did a pretty brutally honest AM4 motherboard assessment on Gamer's Nexus Youtube channel.
He is a hardcore overclocker, and pulls no punches on mobo quality.
The Tomahawk is pretty decent afaik, I am something of a long term Asus user myself.
I have not personally used one, so i don't feel qualified to comment.

I do know that there were one or two X370 boards in the 130-140 USD range that he felt were good.
And tells you why others are kinda crap lol.
You should do some research here, but usually I tell people to spend "slightly" more money than they think on motherboards, because the difference in quality between a $100 mobo and a $150 mobo is pretty huge.
And sometimes,.depending on sales, the difference between the good one and the mediocre one can be as little as $20.

Even if you don't agree with the opinions on the video I mentioned, it is a good watch because it highlights what you should look for.
( good VRM's, cooling, features like POST code display, etc. )
Look for how many fan headers and sata ports a board has, and figure out if they are enough for you current and future needs.

4745454b · Nov 23, 2017

I love how you picked a best answer. Happens to be the answer you wanted. Wow.

I know you don't care or want to hear this, but it's not worth it. You'll need to buy a new board, CPU, mounting bracket for the cooler, and new ram as well. For roughly the same gaming performance. What you could do is grab an i7 for your socket if you really need more CPU power. For 4770K is still a good gaming chip, and won't require new everything to get it running. They are pretty cheap right now, on a forum I'm seeing them being sold for $150-200. Not sure what they run if buying new.

But you want something that "feels" new, so enjoy upgrading everything.

guanyu210379 · Nov 23, 2017

hblomqvist :

For pure gaming...today..Ryzen 5 1600 should be already enough. For the next few years? I dunno.
For productivity, Ryzen 7 1700 is better.

ah...for consideration...
I7 8700k is the better option for pure gaming option. It has less cores and threads than Ryzen 7 1700 but the core speed is higher.
The decision is more to what you are doing more often..gaming or productivity..or 50-50.
For more productivity and 50-50, I like Ryzen 7 1700 better.

guanyu210379 · Nov 23, 2017

The idea of simply getting an I7 4790k or 4770k is also not bad, as you need only to replace the proc and keep the rest. The jump is not as big as the original plan but it costs also way less.

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

4745454b :

Well yes, that was the answer I wanted but at the same time I didn't think I would get this many answers
Well I didn't think I was going to get this many answers so I picked that answer because it explained stuff.

The 4770K costs almost 3x as much as the ryzen 5 1600 where I live and it has less cores so I don't really feel like that's worth it.

Edit: the 4790k also costs 2x as much as the ryzen where I live

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

Also, do you guys think future Ryzen CPUs will be compatible with B350 like kaby lake was compatible with z170 mobos?

4745454b · Nov 23, 2017

The 8150 has lots of cores. Have you considered that? Core count doesn't mean anything. Just like clock speed doesn't mean much.

If you live in a different country with non USA pricing that will change things. The 1600 has many cores, but the IPC isn't as high as Intels. This means it's gaming ability is a bit less then it should be. For me, it is simply too much to buy a new board, CPU, cooler, and ram. Your gaming performance won't go up that much. Not enough to justify that much money being spent.

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

4745454b :

Well, let's say I have a fixed amount of money I can only spend on upgrading/building new PC, what should I prioritize to upgrade for best performance? (price to performance doesn't matter, I want to get as good performance upgrade as possible for maybe 600 - 1000 dollar)

Edit: about the pricing, it's basically because haswell cpus aren't available anywhere where I live

4745454b · Nov 23, 2017

I couldn't even begin to tell you want to upgrade. You never gave system specs. You have a locked 4690, that's all I know.

hblomqvist · Nov 23, 2017

4745454b :

Oh sorry, I thought you could see them on my profile

CPU: Intel Core i5 4690

CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 212

MOBO: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

Graphics Card: MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 3G

RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 2x8GB

PSU: Cooler Master G550M

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB

SSD: Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB

I also am getting a new case because my current one has broken usb ports and I would like it to look better
I am also spending 600 to 900 dollars now on pc upgrades and maybe an extra few hundred dollars late 2017/early 2018

guanyu210379 · Nov 24, 2017

Ignore thos FX8xxx and FX9xxx, they are old, slow, weaker than most I5 for games, hot and consume tons of power.
I dunno where you even get this idea to even consider those.

I would limit the topic only to Ryzen line up and Coffee Lake for now....or I7 4770k or I7 4790k if you want.

4745454b · Nov 24, 2017

Ignore thos FX8xxx and FX9xxx, they are old, slow, weaker than most I5 for games, hot and consume tons of power.
I dunno where you even get this idea to even consider those.

I brought them up. It's my usual reply when someone tells me Ryzen 1600 or Rxxxx is better than Intel i5 or i7 because they have more cores. You can't look at just core count, or clock to see which chip is faster. The 1600 might have more cores, but when it comes to gaming it is behind the 8400, or even the 7700K.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-coffee-lake-core-i5-8400-cpu,5281-11.html

Look at this first chart. The lower and more to the right, the cheaper it costs and more it performs. The 1600 is a good chip, but even OC'd to 3.9GHz it's STILL behind the 8400. And the 8400 might have 6 cores, but it's still slower than the 4C/4T 7600 if you clock the 7600K to 5.0GHz. The 6C/6T 8400 is also not faster than the 4C/8T 7700K, even when that chip is stock. According to the logic that was mentioned above, the 8400 has more cores, so it should be faster. Guess what? Core count isn't everything.

As I mentioned above, living in a different country changes everything. In my mind the best purchase for him would be to get the 4770K and OC it if needed. If the chips are that expensive in his country however, that's a bad idea. A stock 4690 should perform close to a stock 7600K. Which means moving to the 1600 will give him no gains, and possibly even less FPS. He would have to buy one and OC it to as close to 4.0GHz as he can to beat the 4690. Considering the cost involved with buying new everything, I still say that's a horrible idea. It might cost 2 or 3x as much as the 1600, but considering how slow the 1600 is compared to what he already has, I can't see spending the budget on a 1600 just for no increase in FPS.

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