AMD Fx 9590

perdigao_lol · Dec 1, 2017

Hello.

I currently have a
AMD FX 9590
16 GB RAM HyperX DDR3
M5A97 R2.0 EVO
GEFORCE GTX 1060 (GIGABYTE)
Samsung SSD 750 EVO 250GB (SSD)
TOSHIBA DT01ACA050 (SATA)

A Arctic Freezer Xtreme Rev.2 CPU Cooler

And a Nox Urano TX 850W

So the issue is that the CPU keeps overheating and the PC just freezes or shuts off when i play games. Usually on CS:GO that i've been playing lately.

Should i just buy a better cooler or get rid of AMD cpu's and get an Intel and a new mobo ?

Thanks

Deleted member 1560910 · Dec 1, 2017

I would sugest get rid of that piece of junk and move on

Calvin7 · Dec 1, 2017

M5A97 R2.0 EVO does not support FX 9000 series CPUs.

FX 9000 series CPUs require robust liquid cooling solution.

perdigao_lol · Dec 2, 2017

Calvin7 :

Wich mobo and liquid cooler do you sugest ?

Deleted member 1560910 · Dec 2, 2017

perdigao_lol :

You mentioned getting a new intel system why not go with that. You would not need a liquid cooler with a intel system as it is a waste of money IMO

perdigao_lol · Dec 2, 2017

Yes, i mentioned that but that is also more expensive ^^
My eyes are on a i7-7700k but i dont know if an i5 does the job well. I've always had amd :/

perdigao_lol · Dec 2, 2017

Just keeping my options open, that's why i came here =)

Darkbreeze · Dec 2, 2017

perdigao_lol :

Currently, practically none of the boards recommended for the 9xxx series chips are even available any more, at least not new. And any of them that are used, have likely either already been used with one of these or have been used with an overclocked 8 core sku, and either way the system has PROBABLY already seen pretty significant extended periods of very high stress on the voltage regulation components, making it a terrific risk.

Those that ARE still available new are being sold at exhorbitant prices. These are the boards that you can TECHNICALLY expect to run a 9 series processor on, but even then, if you don't have massive cooling, including hopefully some kind of VRM/Northbridge cooler, you are STILL going to have issues with thermal fatigue beginning almost as soon as you fire it up. Realistically, only the two at the top have shown any real success that I've seen at running these processors without problems, and even then it was only with giant air coolers or big 280mm water coolers. That Arctic Xtreme cooler doesn't even come with a fan, and I PROMISE you that passive cooling CANNOT be used with this CPU, so do you have two fans added to that thing or are you trying to use it silent, the way it came?

GA-990FXA-UD7
Crosshair V Formula-Z

Extreme6 (Termed as 990X chipset board on some sites)
Extreme9
Fatal1ty 990FX Professional
Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
GA-99FXA-UD5
MSI GD80V2 (See NOTE1 below)
M5A99FX PRO R2.0
GA-99FXA-UD3

perdigao_lol · Dec 2, 2017

This cooler has a fan in the middle, but i guess its not enough. I'm using it just the way it came, the only way i know how to LOL.

But i guess the best solution is to buy an Intel and a motherboard. I'm guessing all of the rest i can keep am i right ?

Darkbreeze · Dec 2, 2017

Not really. You'll need a new motherboard, CPU AND memory, because your current system uses DDR3 memory which is obsolete now. Everything currently uses DDR4 memory.

Can you please post a pic of your current CPU cooler? Or, provide the model number. Also, it does not HAVE to be Intel. There are really good AMD options on Ryzen processors and motherboards. Probably about the same cost going AMD or Intel, but for the same price you'll end up with more cores on AMD in most cases. Personally, I like the Intel option better, but it might not be the right option for you. These new AMD Ryzen CPUs are generally trading places on the performance charts with Intel depending on how well the application or game utilizes multiple cores and threaded processes.

And, that's not the ONLY option. If you REALLY had to, you MIGHT be able to get by with this board.

https://www.outletpc.com/de7484-asus-m5a99x-evo-r20-amd-990fx-amd-motherboard.html

But you need to REALLY think about whether you want to spend 250 dollars just to get a five year old platform working right, that is still going to be outperformed by a current generation i3, not to mention an i5 or i7.

AnonymousAndy · Dec 2, 2017

If you're just trying to get by, you could undervolt and underclock your 9590 to the settings of an 8350, and it will probably work fine.

Karadjgne · Dec 2, 2017

Sell everything except the ssd, hdd and gpu. Go with a Ryzen 5 1600, it'll do everything the i7-7700k will do at half the price.

Darkbreeze · Dec 3, 2017

That's where I have to disagree, BUT, I do NOT want to see this thread evolve into another AMD vs INTEL thread, so I will only say this and then let's allow the thread to continue on it's intended path.

The Ryzen 5 1600, while I agree it IS a good CPU for the price, is NOT half the price. It's only 90 bucks cheaper, because the 7700k is currently 283.00 while the 1600 is 190.00. Clearly, 190 is not half of 283, it's half of 380. So if the 7700k was 380 instead of 280, THEN it would be half. And if comparing to Coffee, even the 8700k can be had for between 380 and 414, so it's half of THAT. Plus, the 7700k has a FULL 1Ghz higher base and turbo clock than the 1600 which paired with it's higher IPC means there is zero chance it will perform or "do everything" that the 7700k will do. Not even close by a long shot. Unless, like I said, it's something can actually use 10 or more threads advantageously, like serious multitasking or multitasking while running a game that is very much optimized for threaded processes.

So, unless you are willing to overclock that 1600, by a lot, and we already know these processors often don't like or simply won't do anything over 4Ghz, there's very little chance of seeing them outperform or even equal the Intel versions. And all of that is assuming Kaby. Going to Coffee and 8700k makes it even more unlikely. Now, if you're willing to overclock OR if you are seriously multitasking, then it's a very serious consideration. Also, it IS cheaper, so good enough might just be, good enough.

CooLWoLF · Dec 3, 2017

Lower the multiplier of your 9590 to 20 in the bios; that will match an 8350 at 4ghz. Disable the turbo clock. See if that fixes your problems and report back. Then go from there.

Darkbreeze · Dec 3, 2017

Probably don't even have to disable the turbo feature. Simply changing the multiplier to match that of a stock FX-8370 or 8350 and reducing the voltage to the same stock voltage as that CPU should be enough to alleviate the problem, IF the problem has not already damaged the voltage regulation components on the motherboard.

Karadjgne · Dec 3, 2017

Neither of which will work since the motherboard doesn't support the cpu in the first place. Bios simply won't recognize the cpu whether or not you cut multiplier or voltage values. What op has is a cpu that won't work on that mobo, a cooler that really won't work on the cpu. So a bunch of mismatched parts. Which is why I suggested the Ryzen. And yes, it will do everything a i7 can do, it has the speed to accommodate any game decently, the cores/threads to cover any game the i7 can. Albeit not as well, but it'll do the job just fine paired with a gtx1060.
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For what you pay for cpu & mobo from Intel, you can get similar performance at 1080p/60Hz on a gtx1060 with Amd, and still include ram. I just don't see Intel as worth the price here.

AnonymousAndy · Dec 3, 2017

If it didn't recognize the CPU, how does it boot at all? I'd definitely at least try it before buying a whole new system.

Darkbreeze · Dec 3, 2017

Karadjgne :

Yes, it will work. It's the EXACT same CPU as the the other Piledriver FX8 models, just better silicon and different settings. Since it ALREADY works in that board and simply overheats, changing those settings would PROBABLY alleviate the thermal issues. I'm not saying that anything about this configuration is GOOD, but it will certainly work regardless of whether it shows on the CPU support list or not.

The only reason it's not on that list is because of it's voltage requirements. Reduce the voltage settings and multiplier and it's no longer a 9xxx series chip. Architecturally there is NO difference from this CPU and lower end FX8 chips.

Karadjgne · Dec 3, 2017

Well, that's true for any of the 125w FX, they are all the same except for factory turned off nodes and some internal voltages, most of which are set by firmware and can't be adjusted by bios. So just lowering vcore/multiplier to simulate an 8350 may or may not work, to reduce enough actual heat output. As is, that Arctic cooler is still only a 160w cooler at best, that's marginally better than a hyper212 /cryorig H7 budget cooler, so you'd be needing to drop @100w of heat value off that cpu. Not an easy task
And my apologies, I missed the Rev 2.0 on the mobo, the Rev 1.0 didn't support the 9 series. Doesn't matter what the architectural similarities or differences are, if the cpu info itself isn't microcoded into the bios, it won't work. AMD got extremely picky about that with the FX.

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