7700k (or system elsewhere?) not stable even at default clocks when using AVX instructions.

aeonmw2

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Firstly, sorry for my not quite perfect english :)

My system specs:
i7 7700k - default clocks (4.2)
motherboard asrock z270pro4
PSU 750w OCZ
DDR4 2400 cl 17 default
GTX 1060 6gb

So, my problem starts when my PC shuts down completely while watching youtube/brousing. Just shuts down, without bsod or error.

Then begins the troubleshooting.
In most of stress tests system rock solid stable (intel xtu, x264, cinebench, etc), but not in prime 95. On stock settings, system crashes within 1-5 minutes of test 100% of the time.

First of all, i shoud say that i tried a lot of possible combinations of cpu frequency/memory frequency/vcore/vram.
My memory seems to be stable after night of memtest, so I put aside memory problem theory.

After quite some time, I discovered that if I drop my CPU clocks to 4000 from default (4200) i can pass prime easily. Further investigations lead to AVX problems - if I turn off AVX in prime using CpuSupportsAVX=0 command, system seems to be stable again.

So i went into bios and set AVX offset. Right now im surprisingly stable at 4500mhz with 5 avx offset, so i can pass prime at 4000 mhz and every other benchmark at 4500.

So, what the hell? Why CPU not even stable at default clocks?
We are not talking only about prime95, remember how it starts - instability when brousing yutube videos (chrome and youtube uses avx?).
Could it be something else? Should i calm down and live with 4.5 and 4.0 avx ? Who knows, maybe I will crash again at some point of time... Could it be overheating (cpu temps fine in 70-80 range bbut idk about vrm's) or PSU or motherboad problems?

Also, is this okay to turn off AVX support completely thtoug bcdedit /set xsavedisable 1? because right now i have a lot of time in games when cpu drop speed to 4000. Any disadvantages of no AVX at all in gaming?




 
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Pentium G4560 is not fine for serious gaming as it lacks the core/thread count. and while the avg FPS might look fine, the gameplay will be choppy with quite a lot of freezes/stuttering in most AAA games.
AVX is an instruction set that allows some tasks to be completed much faster.
For pure gaming it's probably OK to turn it off, but it's still abnormal behavior - so i'd look to solve it.
CPU running AVX instructions consume a lot of power. So the problem could be cooling, MB and even PSU.
it's OK to use offset and i wouldn't recommend turning it completely off.
What I'd do is:
1. check the load CPU temperatures.
2. test CPU in different computer (both MB and PSU) on a stock clocks and if it can not run - RMA it.
3. Check the PSU - OCZ can't be new.
4. check them MB - this one is not particularly advanced in terms of power delivery to the CPU.
 

aeonmw2

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1. max load t around 70-80 C in prime. Crash occured when watching youtube with temps around 40-50 so thats shoudnt be the case.
2. nice idea but sadly I have no one around with z170/270 mobo. also no another cpu to test mobo itself
3. will check it soon

also, why exactly you wouldnt turn off avx completely?
my understanding, 4500 withount AVX is better than 4000 with AVX in pure gaming. Maybe im wrong. But Pentium G4560 is fine for gaming without avx, right?)
 
Pentium G4560 is not fine for serious gaming as it lacks the core/thread count. and while the avg FPS might look fine, the gameplay will be choppy with quite a lot of freezes/stuttering in most AAA games.
AVX is an instruction set that allows some tasks to be completed much faster.
For pure gaming it's probably OK to turn it off, but it's still abnormal behavior - so i'd look to solve it.
 
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