Suggestions to make these PC builds better

dantemajin · Dec 12, 2017

For a total of $1500 Gtx 1080

For a minimum of $1000 Gtx 1060 6GB

For a minimum of $500 Gtx 1050 Ti

For the 1060 should I maximize the price up to 1000. You can provide a better parts. I also think that $1000 build is better for gtx 1070.

And I used an SSHD instead of SSD for afforadble price and more storage. I didn't include a cpu fan for the 500 dollar because there's an included stock cooler with it.

Barty1884 · Dec 12, 2017

"Better" in what way? Assuming these are gaming builds? If so, at the pricepoint, I'd look in totally different directions.

$1,500(ish) build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($27.90 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($90.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: SanDisk - X400 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($712.88 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1475.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:52 EST-0500

While the 8700K is technically "stronger", the CPU+MB pairings work out about 25% more for the 8700K, and you're not gaining anywhere close to 25% in performance improvements..... especially as you move up in resolutions.

The i5-8600K is a very strong "gaming" CPU too, but personally, I don't feel it brings enough to the table.
Works out very similarly to a 7700K (when you factor in a Z370 board), for 6 cores/threads (vs 4/8) and no real 'gains' in gaming across the board.

$1,000

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SanDisk - X400 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.80 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1003.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:56 EST-0500

$500 (ish)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($109.86 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($156.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($23.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $487.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:58 EST-0500

You really need faster RAM on Ryzen platforms.
At a ~$500 pricepoint, and SSD really is a luxury that's tough to justify.

THEN, there's the argument of price vs performance.
On the upper-end, paired with a GPU like a 1080 or 1080TI, you really should be pushing higher resolutions where (within reason) the CPU doesn't matter as much.

I'd actually look to pair a Ryzen5 1600 with a 1080TI for either high refresh 1440p or 4K.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($96.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SanDisk - X400 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($712.88 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1337.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:59 EST-0500

For reference, various CPUs with a GTX 1080 at various resolutions. Note, most are at stock speeds, but some are OC'd.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8600K/18.html

dantemajin · Dec 12, 2017

Barty1884 :

"Better" in what way? Assuming these are gaming builds? If so, at the pricepoint, I'd look in totally different directions.

$1,500(ish) build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($27.90 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($90.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: SanDisk - X400 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($712.88 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1475.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:52 EST-0500

While the 8700K is technically "stronger", the CPU+MB pairings work out about 25% more for the 8700K, and you're not gaining anywhere close to 25% in performance improvements..... especially as you move up in resolutions.

The i5-8600K is a very strong "gaming" CPU too, but personally, I don't feel it brings enough to the table.
Works out very similarly to a 7700K (when you factor in a Z370 board), for 6 cores/threads (vs 4/8) and no real 'gains' in gaming across the board.

$1,000

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SanDisk - X400 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.80 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1003.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:56 EST-0500

$500 (ish)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($109.86 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($156.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($23.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $487.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:58 EST-0500

You really need faster RAM on Ryzen platforms.
At a ~$500 pricepoint, and SSD really is a luxury that's tough to justify.

THEN, there's the argument of price vs performance.
On the upper-end, paired with a GPU like a 1080 or 1080TI, you really should be pushing higher resolutions where (within reason) the CPU doesn't matter as much.

I'd actually look to pair a Ryzen5 1600 with a 1080TI for either high refresh 1440p or 4K.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($96.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE RGB SYNC 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SanDisk - X400 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($712.88 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1337.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-12 16:59 EST-0500

For reference, various CPUs with a GTX 1080 at various resolutions. Note, most are at stock speeds, but some are OC'd.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8600K/18.html

I always thought that you need both good cpu and gpu or they will bottleneck each other so I'll take this as a reference for the 1500 build. I also think that the cheaper the psu the shorter it's lifespan is. Well thanks for your suggestion. And I apologize as well I didn't include what spefication these builds for. The 1500 and 1000 purpose is for both gaming and rendering while the budget one is for gaming as well.

Barty1884 · Dec 13, 2017

A "good" CPU and GPU are a solid pairing yes - and that's what I've suggested.
As I mentioned though, at higher resolutions (where you;'d be looking at a 1070 or greater), the CPU matters less.... but still needs to be "good".

As for the PSU, "cheap" PSUs (in quality, not price) will cause you all sorts of issues.
The PSU I listed, while low in price - is actually substantially better in quality vs the two you were proposing using.

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