Need advice and suggestions with PC build

lesic.mihael · Dec 18, 2017

Hi, going to build my first PC soon, not really a great expert at it but I know some things.
Going to use my old CoolerMaster case and old storage.

PC parts:

Processor: http:// (Ryzen 5 1600) (not OC'ing it)

Graphics Card: (Going to be OC'ing it a bit) http:// (GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (might be 3GB, not sure yet)

Motherboard: http:// (GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3)

RAM: 2x4GB RAM (2400 most likely), haven't really picked the brand, it confuses me that for every RAM it says it supports some Intel shit, don't know if it goes with AMD too, let me know

Power Supply: Haven't picked it, I need help determining how many W I need, guessing around maybe 500W but not sure, need help with that aswell.

Also, if there's any part I need, or some accessory that I missed out (extra fans, idk), let me know, not really an expert in computers, but I know some stuff.

Now, I think it's okay, let me know, or suggest something that you think might be better with the build. Not sure for the GPU, if I need the 6GB one, will 3 be enough? Should I pick the 6 pin GPU, or the 8 pin one?
Are the 2 more pins needed? I'm only going to OC the GPU quite a bit, wanna get around maybe 7 more FPS, don't know if this is the right mobo for that (I think it should be good but not sure. Don't wanna damage the GPU, so I wanna make sure the mobo and everything will be able to OC it properly. Let me know if I should make some changes. As I said not really a great expert since this is my first PC build, so would really appreciate some (expert) help.

Also some games I'm going to play on the PC: PUBG, Overwatch, GTA V, other shooting games, and some singleplayer games, and some other games in the future. I'm a bit worried If I pick the 3GB VRAM that I won't have enough for high demanding graphics games in the future, or even for these games. As for the graphics in game, probably will go for (High)Very High, Ultra, whatever I can max out that gives good framerate. I think the right one is 6GB, for my needs, but let me know.

Thank you very much for your time, for reading this essay lmao, and thanks a lot in advance!

vapour · Dec 18, 2017

2400 is too slow for Ryzen, 3000+ is preferred. 8 gb is small for new builds. Total budget on the build? Major usage other than gaming? need storage/OS? case? monitor?

dark_lord69 · Dec 18, 2017

GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (might be 3GB, not sure yet)

Typically when a card has 2 options for memory the difference isn't noticeable AT ALL...
HOWEVER... for the GTX1060 the performance is actually different (and not because of a ram increase)

Core Config on 3GB GTX 1060:
Shader Processors - 1152
Texture Mapping Units - 72

Core Config on 6GB GTX 1060:
Shader Processors - 1280
Texture Mapping Units - 80

To me it seems like a marketing ploy to convince people that they need more video ram and that it makes a bigger difference than it really does. The truth is that the GPU core Config is not the same and typically the AMOUNT of ram has very little to do with performance.

In most cases the AMOUNT of ram will only help if your running higher resolutions. The SPEED of the ram is a different story and does affect performance but for both the 6GB and 3GB versions they use the same RAM speed.

Bottom Line: get the 6 GB card for the better core config

"RAM: 2x4GB RAM (2400 most likely), haven't really picked the brand, it confuses me that for every RAM it says it supports some Intel shit, don't know if it goes with AMD too, let me know"
That's just marketing to re-assure people that don't know what to do/pick. Focus on what your motherboard says it's capable of not what the RAM says.

"Should I pick the 6 pin GPU, or the 8 pin one?"
Don't let that be a deciding factor. Power adapters will make it work if you have one and not the other but you said you haven't purchase a power supply yet...

"don't know if this is the right mobo for that"
Overclocking the GPU has nothing to do with the motherboard. Personally I like to just buy the video cards that are overclocked by the manufacturer.
(Mine is SSC [Super Super Clocked])

I would get 3000 or 3200 ram for a Ryzen CPU.
(I prefer Intel CPU's for gaming though.)

lesic.mihael · Dec 18, 2017

vapour :

Oh wow, didn't know that. Thanks for the information though.
What I was thinking, was going for 8GB (2x4) RAM first, then later upgrade for 8 more (2x4)?
Another problem, don't know if that works, can you just add more RAM later, or do you have to buy it all at once for it to work?

Total budget is probably about 720$.
Going to use it just for gaming. Don't need operating system, already have that, storage I have.

For the case, I think I'm going to use my old one, not sure if thats good but let me know.
Um, monitor, the refresh rate is sadly 60 Hz, but the monitor is wide, big, think it should do good.

I can even go Intel, don't know whats better, which one would you prefer, which one is better for overall gaming, for the costs, quality, performance, idk.

lesic.mihael · Dec 18, 2017

dark_lord69 :

Oh okay, so the 6GB?
Yeah I was overall going for it, just needed some expert advice whether or not its the right decision.
Just I think the whole build will go really on tight budget, even cross it a bit, so is it worth it going for the 6gb one?

I was thinking maybe the extra 2 pins for better OC'ing, does that work like that?
But the 8 pin GPU is really huge, don't think it will even fit, so I think the 6 one is better.
(the 6 pin one;http://, this one should be more OC'd?)

What do you think about the GPU overall? Do you like it? would you pick something different? Is it good enough?
Would appreciate if you could suggest some other if you have any in mind or is this one good enough.

Lmao never knew that GPU OC'ing had nothing to do with the mobo.

I mean I can go for Intel, just not sure if that would add the price up?

Thanks for the help, really appreciate it

dark_lord69 · Dec 18, 2017

lesic.mihael :

dark_lord69 :

Oh okay, so the 6GB?
Yeah I was overall going for it, just needed some expert advice whether or not its the right decision.
Just I think the whole build will go really on tight budget, even cross it a bit, so is it worth it going for the 6gb one?

I was thinking maybe the extra 2 pins for better OC'ing, does that work like that?
But the 8 pin GPU is really huge, don't think it will even fit, so I think the 6 one is better.
(the 6 pin one;http://, this one should be more OC'd?)

What do you think about the GPU overall? Do you like it? would you pick something different? Is it good enough?
Would appreciate if you could suggest some other if you have any in mind or is this one good enough.

Lmao never knew that GPU OC'ing had nothing to do with the mobo.

I mean I can go for Intel, just not sure if that would add the price up?

Thanks for the help, really appreciate it

The Intel 8400 costs the same and performs better.
I do recommend the GTX 1060 6GB. Honestly the card you pick depends on the resolution you game at.
The 1060 is good enough for most people and runs 1080p quite well for pretty much any game.
On the other hand if you planned on going with 4k you'll need a better card.

vapour · Dec 18, 2017

8400 needs more expensive motherboard due to no B3xx or H3xx chipset yet. For 720, I will get:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($269.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($72.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $717.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-18 15:02 EST-0500

$30 is rebate, pre-rebate is $747.53. Ryzen 1600 will be close to 8400 in gaming with good overclocking, and will win by multi-tasking/video-editing/streaming, etc.

lesic.mihael · Dec 20, 2017

vapour :

How much more are the intel motherboards expensive?

Oh and, the list u made, is that the build you would recommend for me (and my budget)?
PSU 550W?

"Ryzen 1600 will be close to 8400 in gaming with good overclocking" a bit confused, did you mean the 1600 will be close to 8400 if overclocked good? (Will it still be weaker?) Because Idk not planning to OC the CPU because the budget but might consider about it.
Also I feel like going for 1600 because it comes with a decent cooler, and that fits good with the budget,
and the Intel stock coolers are kinda shitty so idk. Let me know please, would really appreciate it

Thanks

lesic.mihael · Dec 20, 2017

dark_lord69 :

lesic.mihael :

The Intel 8400 costs the same and performs better.
I do recommend the GTX 1060 6GB. Honestly the card you pick depends on the resolution you game at.
The 1060 is good enough for most people and runs 1080p quite well for pretty much any game.
On the other hand if you planned on going with 4k you'll need a better card.

But the mobo is more expensive right?
Also, I'm a bit confused with the GPU brands and all that.
Does it make a difference (in performance) if its some EVGA gpu, or MSI gpu, or whatever else?
I mean I know they're still made through Nvidia (Nvidia's blueprints? Technology? don't know how to say it, you know what I mean) but I'm curious does it make a difference if its some other maker?

Oh and also, does it make a difference if its a 1 fan gpu or 2 fan, 3 fan whatever?

(And I know there's AMD's gpus, but I'm specifically asking for Nvidia's)

Finstar · Dec 20, 2017

lesic.mihael :

vapour :

How much more are the intel motherboards expensive?

Oh and, the list u made, is that the build you would recommend for me (and my budget)?
PSU 550W?

"Ryzen 1600 will be close to 8400 in gaming with good overclocking" a bit confused, did you mean the 1600 will be close to 8400 if overclocked good? (Will it still be weaker?) Because Idk not planning to OC the CPU because the budget but might consider about it.
Also I feel like going for 1600 because it comes with a decent cooler, and that fits good with the budget,
and the Intel stock coolers are kinda shitty so idk. Let me know please, would really appreciate it

Thanks

The i5 8400 does get slightly better fps than an overclocked r5 1600. However I would still recommend Ryzen over it as it's known to have better frame times and less microstutter than Intel cpus, resulting in smoother gameplay.
Also the temps, stock cooler and future upgrade path are a lot better on Ryzen.

dark_lord69 · Dec 20, 2017

Finstar :

lesic.mihael :

The i5 8400 does get slightly better fps than an overclocked r5 1600. However I would still recommend Ryzen over it as it's known to have better frame times and less microstutter than Intel cpus, resulting in smoother gameplay.
Also the temps, stock cooler and future upgrade path are a lot better on Ryzen.

Yeah, the real downside to the new Intel CPU's is that the motherboards for the 8000 series are still overpriced. Which makes the 1600 appealing..

vapour · Dec 20, 2017

lesic.mihael :

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How much more are the intel motherboards expensive?
100+
Oh and, the list u made, is that the build you would recommend for me (and my budget)?
PSU 550W?
can allow future upgrade to even 1080 ti
"Ryzen 1600 will be close to 8400 in gaming with good overclocking" a bit confused, did you mean the 1600 will be close to 8400 if overclocked good? (Will it still be weaker?) Because Idk not planning to OC the CPU because the budget but might consider about it.
Also I feel like going for 1600 because it comes with a decent cooler, and that fits good with the budget,
and the Intel stock coolers are kinda shitty so idk. Let me know please, would really appreciate it

yes, Ryzen stock cooler is much better, OC is not that hard to pick up, just need to be careful
Thanks

lesic.mihael · Dec 21, 2017

vapour :

What about RAM? I just want to clear that up.
You said 3000 - 3200 is recommended with r5 1600?
Is there any difference in performance if I pick other brands or how does it go?

And can you OC RAM, and if so, how? And does it increase (gaming) performance?

And I'm still confused on the RAM chips.
I was thinking going 2x4 gb first, (since I'm on a budget currently) but later upgrade to 16gb and add 2x4 gb more.
I don't know how RAM chips work toghether, would be okay if put 2x4 gb first then later add 2x4 more? Or just 16 at once? Please let me know, sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I hope you would understand what I mean.

And whats the difference in volts in RAM? I saw some with 1.35, 1.2, etc.
Please explain thanks!!

lesic.mihael · Dec 21, 2017

dark_lord69 :

Finstar :

lesic.mihael :

The i5 8400 does get slightly better fps than an overclocked r5 1600. However I would still recommend Ryzen over it as it's known to have better frame times and less microstutter than Intel cpus, resulting in smoother gameplay.
Also the temps, stock cooler and future upgrade path are a lot better on Ryzen.

Yeah, the real downside to the new Intel CPU's is that the motherboards for the 8000 series are still overpriced. Which makes the 1600 appealing..

Yeah looks like I'll stick to Ryzen 5.
As for GPU OC'ing or CPU, what's the deal with Volts, Overvolting and all that? Does it make a difference, is it important? Can it fry your components? Please let me know.

vapour · Dec 21, 2017

lesic.mihael :

What about RAM? I just want to clear that up.
You said 3000 - 3200 is recommended with r5 1600?
Is there any difference in performance if I pick other brands or how does it go?
G.Skill is more likely to run 3000+ if the ram is clocked at 3000+ speed, other brands have lower probability, but may work too.
And can you OC RAM, and if so, how? And does it increase (gaming) performance?
Ryzen seems to be harder to OC ram compared to Intel.
And I'm still confused on the RAM chips.
I was thinking going 2x4 gb first, (since I'm on a budget currently) but later upgrade to 16gb and add 2x4 gb more.
I don't know how RAM chips work toghether, would be okay if put 2x4 gb first then later add 2x4 more? Or just 16 at once? Please let me know, sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I hope you would understand what I mean.
two packs may or may not work together due to different batch may have slightly different timing, Ryzen is really picky on that, I will suggest buy from a pack if you can afford, or find a good seller with good return policy and try.
And whats the difference in volts in RAM? I saw some with 1.35, 1.2, etc.
Factory setting and I think the trend is 1.35v for most ddr4 ram now. You may need to increase voltage if you need to make ram run higher than their clock speed.
Please explain thanks!!

Finstar · Dec 21, 2017

lesic.mihael :

dark_lord69 :

Yeah looks like I'll stick to Ryzen 5.
As for GPU OC'ing or CPU, what's the deal with Volts, Overvolting and all that? Does it make a difference, is it important? Can it fry your components? Please let me know.

It's less important for gpu overclocking but very important for cpu overclocking if you want a good oc. And yes, you can fry your cpu with too many volts.
If i remember correctly, AMD stated that with Ryzen, up to 1.35v isn't gonna affect the cpus lifetime and that 1.45v is the max you should do for daily use, even with good cooling.

lesic.mihael · Dec 23, 2017

vapour :

Finstar :

One more thing, ram.
Can you please suggest some, brand, chips, or whatever.
Link would be good, but the name should be enough.
3000 - 3200

Finstar · Dec 23, 2017

lesic.mihael :

I have Corsair myself and they only do 3000MHz even though they're rated for 3200MHz (it's pretty common with Ryzen though)
I've heard people having best luck at getting over 3000MHz with g.skill rams and rams with Samsung chips.
Though you can't tell which manufactures chips you're gonna get before you try them.

lesic.mihael · Dec 24, 2017

Finstar :

So if I pick lets say, for example, some dual 2x4 gb G.SKILL Ripjaws V 3000, will it work? Does that work?

Finstar · Dec 25, 2017

lesic.mihael :

Finstar :

So if I pick lets say, for example, some dual 2x4 gb G.SKILL Ripjaws V 3000, will it work? Does that work?

Up to 3000MHz should work without issues. 3200 is bit of a gamble.

lesic.mihael · Dec 25, 2017

Finstar :

lesic.mihael :

Up to 3000MHz should work without issues. 3200 is bit of a gamble.

why is it a gamble?

lesic.mihael · Dec 25, 2017

vapour :

8400 needs more expensive motherboard due to no B3xx or H3xx chipset yet. For 720, I will get:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($269.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($72.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $717.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-18 15:02 EST-0500

$30 is rebate, pre-rebate is $747.53. Ryzen 1600 will be close to 8400 in gaming with good overclocking, and will win by multi-tasking/video-editing/streaming, etc.

how many Watts do you think I should pick with the build?
500W? 450W? 550W?

Finstar · Dec 29, 2017

lesic.mihael :

Finstar :

why is it a gamble?

You don't know for sure if it'll work or not.

This is a good psu:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na

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