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I am willing to buy a new gaming PC, my budget is about 1200 dollars and I am a bit worried about the PSU:
My build costs a bit too much and I'm trying to lower it down by a few dollars. I thought about using a cheaper PSU, but I am worried because I was planning on upgrading the components in the future and I don't know if 550 watt will be enough when I'll want to upgrade. Replacing the PSU in the future also seems like a lot of work and that's why I want to buy a 750 watt one now so I won't have to replace it.

I'll post my build down here and maybe you guys can tell me your thoughts, maybe not replacing the PSU and changing something else. It'll be a huge help, thanks!

MY BUILD

  • Case: CoolerMaster MasterBox Lite 5
    Power Supply (PSU): Corsair RM750i CP-9020082-NA 750W
    CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 13
    CPU: Intel Core i5-8400 Coffee Lake Tray
    Mother Board: MSI Z370M Mortar
    Memory: 2xCrucial 8GB DDR4 2400MHz (16GB)
    Graphic Card: MSI Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GT OCV2
    SSD Drive: SSD Samsung 850 Evo 250GB (I wanted a 500GB one but it's really expensive, and I saw that 250 is usually enough, either way I can always get a bigger one in the future)
    HDD Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB

My build costs like 1500 dollars right now (including the operating system and all) I can't afford it, around 1200 dollars is what I need. Thanks.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370 HD3 (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($194.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card ($259.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.89 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1161.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-21 10:07 EST-0500
 
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Though, I checked in CoolerMaster's website (where you can taste a system and see how much watt is recommended) and when I bumped up my system with really high end components it said I need 650 watts or something, I don't if I'll get to that specs any soon but I want to keep it open..
 
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Wow, it's kind of crazy that it costs less than 1200 there, but I am buying through a company in my country that will build the computer for me too, and in their website it costs 1500.. What should I do?
 
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What website?
 
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https://www.ivory.co.il/build_computer.php
Israeli website
 
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First of all, DO NOT buy a cheap psu.
A cheap PSU will be made of substandard components. It will not have safety and overload protections.
If it fails under load, it can destroy anything it is connected to.
It will deliver advertised power only at room temperatures, not at higher temperatures found when installed in a case.
The wattage will be delivered on the 3 and 5v rails, not on the 12v rails where modern parts
like the CPU and Graphics cards need it. What power is delivered may fluctuate and cause instability
issues that are hard to diagnose.
The fan will need to spin up higher to cool it, making it noisy.
A cheap PSU can become very expensive. Do not buy one.

Buy a tier 1 or 2 unit from a list such as this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
Seasonic is a safe brand and it sells for less in many countries.

A GTX1060 will run on a typical 430w psu.
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
You are wise to consider something stronger up front.
A 600w psu will run a GTX1080ti.
I like overprovisioning a PSU. The added cost is usually minimal.
t will allow for a stronger future graphics card upgrade.
It will run cooler, quieter, and more efficiently in the middle third of it's range.
A PSU will only use the wattage demanded of it, regardless of it's max capability.

If your budget is temporarily constrained, defer on the hard drive. It is easy to add one later.
And... Western digital seems to be more reliable. WD blue would be fine.

The i3-8400 will come with a perfectly good cooler if you do not buy the tray version.
The AC-13 with a 92mm fan will be noisy.
I might suggest the $35 scythe kotetsu in case you might want to upgrade your cpu to a K version in the future.
Here is a review:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1391-page1.html
 
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Thanks for the great answer.
The Seasonic 750watt PSU costs almost the same as the Corsair I wanted, both are safe brands, but do you think I should buy a 550watt one even if I might want to upgrade in the future? And the 550watt PSU that I want is a CoolerMaster MWE, cause I'm buying from an israeli shop and that's the 550watt PSU they got, how is it?
They don't have something in between 550 and 750 unfortunately too..

Unfortunately they don't sale the cooler you've suggested neither, they mostly only sale familiar brands like CoolerMaster and Noctua. If it's noisy and bad do you have other suggestions for a cooler? How about Noctua NH-L9a?
 
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Then I think I'll have to buy one of the two 750watt ones cause under 750 the PSU aren't quality.
Any ideas for how to lower the price, cause from that israeli shop it still costs a lot.. and if I should replace the cooler, with what?
 
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Change the MB to Gigabyte Z370.

I can't read the prices and most of the other stuff on the site so it's hard for me to do anything.

I can see the parts, but not much else.

The biggest drop in price would be to change the CPU to the i3 8100.

Then you could upgrade that down the road to an i5 or i7.


 
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I'll change the mother board but I don't think I'll go for the i3-8100.. Really annoying how it costs almost 500 dollars more than it's original price in that israeli company.. I'll try a few more shops in israel, maybe they're just thieves..
 
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Shop around, yes. :)
 
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The 550w Seasonic will easily run a GTX1070 or GTX1080. I think it is conservatively rated and should run a normal GTX1080ti.
If the price difference is substantial and your wallet is insubstantial, that is a reasonable buy.

Coolermaster quality is iffy. Apparently the MWE version is at best a budget offering that I would try to pass on.

I like noctua coolers.
The NH-L9a is a downdraft cooler that will not be very effective.
The tower type version, NH-D9l would be better.
If the price is not an issue, the NH-U12s is an outstanding cooler with a much quieter 120mm fan.
I used one to cool a overclocked I5-7600K.
Trivial to mount.
Also, the noctua s variant coolers have been redesigned to clear tall ram heat spreaders and are offset to clear graphics cards mounted in the first pciex16 slot.

The CM hyper212 is a very popular offering that is cheap and reasonably effective.
I understand it is a bit tricky to install.
 
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Yay, great I found a good shop, still costs a bit too much for me, but I can handle it. 1200 without operating system, so 1300.. Better than 1500 at least.
Thanks guys!!
 
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I'll sure do!
 
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On the PSU, that Seasonic is an older OEM model, I would pick another one for your system. Won't have the right connections and is really a 450W PSU if that.
 
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I've just found out that it gets some bad reviews so I was about to check into it. I'll go for a newer model.
 
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Let us know what you pick.
 
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