New PC setup in need of suggestion

Dominik_13 · Dec 25, 2017

Hello guys, I am planning to buy new gaming PC for about 1100 - 1300€ and I choose some components for it but I am not sure if their compatibility are good or if I can find some better ones for compare price (maybe a bit higher if its like a huge difference). Those are the parts I choose for my PC:
CPU : Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor or Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (yes the 7700k has higher frequency but at max rate its not that huge of a difference and the 7700k don't have cooler. I don't know if it's a big thing or not so I look forward for your suggestions there)
VideoCard : MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card
Motherboard : ASRock - H170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory : Kingston - 8GB (1 x 8GB) Registered DDR3-1866 Memory (with this one I am not sure if it will be enough)

So that's all. I wasn't looking for SSD and HD or some other things because first of all I don't know any good ones and second even if I choose one, if it will fit into this composition. And that's mainly my issue please help guys, I count on you.

Darkbreeze · Dec 25, 2017

So, before getting into the specifics of the parts selection you've chosen, let me first ask if the newer Coffee Lake hardware is available in your area at prices anywhere near those of the parts you've selected? The Euro denomination isn't particularly helpful since so many countries, with WIDELY different availability, all use the Euro.

The reason I ask that is because if Coffee lake IS available to you, it's a much better investment due to the fact that performance is significantly better than with Kaby Lake. (Which is what the i7-7700 is)

Also, the H170 motherboard may not be compatible unless you can verify that it has already been updated to a recent bios version in order to support the Kaby lake CPU. H270 and Z270 would have Kaby lake support with all bios versions.

AND, DDR3 memory is not compatible with any of that hardware, at all. You will need DDR4 memory.

Darkbreeze · Dec 25, 2017

IF these parts are available to you, and comparable or even slightly more in price, it would be a much better configuration, and actually compatible, than what you have listed above.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (€209.59 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€152.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €515.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-25 22:05 CET+0100

Dominik_13 · Dec 25, 2017

Thanks for your answer, well first of all, in my area, prices of components are almost the same as they are here: www.pcpartpicker.com and yes it is. Anyway I want to ask will be that i5 2.8GhZ enough for new games and some that may come in early days? I just want to play on that for atleast 3-6 years, I dont mind changing MotherBoard or something else, and you that Memory was a shoot in a blind. I just picked one that was cheap.

Darkbreeze · Dec 25, 2017

That 2.8Ghz i5 refuses to run at anything lower than 3.5Ghz if there is ANY kind of load at all, and that's an ALL cores clock speed, not just a single core clock speed. On average the all core clock speed is about 3.8Ghz, so, that's 3.8Ghz on SIX physical cores, rather than only four physical cores and four hyperthreads like the i7-7700. Plus there is a small amount of IPC (Instructions per clock/cycle) improvement PER core with the Coffee lake chips over the Kaby Lake models and some optimizations as well.

Overall, if CPU performance makes a difference at all, you will see one when going from Kaby to Coffee.

The single core boost speed if only one core is needed, is higher at 4Ghz. You can take a look at the performance yourself here and in other reviews:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-coffee-lake-core-i5-8400-cpu,5281.html

Right now that CPU is the best performance per dollar gaming processor that you can buy.

Adding an SSD will help speed up overall system performance in a good many areas, however, in game performance is not one of them. Loading times for maps, textures, levels, saves, application files, etc., will be improved but actually gaming and FPS will be unlikely to see an increase. I highly recommend an SSD for the operating system drive usually paired with a HDD of whatever size you think will be suitable for storage of large files, movies, music, gaming files, personal folders, etc.

Dominik_13 · Dec 27, 2017

oh, thanks, then wouldn't be better to buy i-5 8600k with 3.6GhZ rather then 8400? and if you be so kind I would appreciate if you could "construct" me a PC when we discuss a bit I have monitor,mouse,etc I just want the case with full components.
And 1 more thing if I may ask. Is there a huge difference between MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB and MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB because the price is a real deal

Darkbreeze · Dec 27, 2017

Sure, I suppose theoretically, however, realistically the extra 300mhz ALL core boost speed of the 8600k probably isn't going to be much of a benefit unless you are running a monitor with a higher than 60hz refresh rate and really need that extra couple of FPS (And are able to get it based on the performance of your graphics card) to avoid tearing.

In most cases I think that unless you are willing to full time overclock that K sku 8600k at something like 4.5Ghz with a very good motherboard and CPU cooler, plus good case cooling, the extra 80 bucks for the extra 300mhz clock speed on all cores isn't worth it. And if you're playing something that really only uses one or two cores, that difference will be even less since there will not be a cumulative effect.

If you give me the full budget, and exactly what you already have that you want to reuse, I'd be glad to do that later this afternoon.

Dominik_13 · Dec 29, 2017

sorry I was on a work trip so I could not answer earlier, well my budget is around 1100€ but I am willing to invest a bit more if it will give me much higher performance mainly on games but the 1250€ ix a maximum

Darkbreeze · Dec 29, 2017

At that price, I'd probably recommend doing something like this. Of course, some choices such as the case and storage can be manipulated somewhat, but I think this is a particularly good configuration based on price and what is available in the € region.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (€209.59 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF Z370 Plus Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€152.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€79.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€43.16 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card (€480.90 @ Alza)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (€49.11 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€90.84 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €1259.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-30 03:15 CET+0100

ArchitSahu · Dec 31, 2017

darkbreeze's build is really good. I went down the Ryzen line to give you some options. This allows for overclocking, and has an OS as well incase you did not have one. Has an SSD too.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (€167.85 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard (€79.90 @ Caseking)
Memory: Kingston - Savage 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€88.10 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€88.33 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€46.10 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (€543.69 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case (€55.33 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€61.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (€94.57 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €1249.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-01 05:16 CET+0100

Darkbreeze · Dec 31, 2017

The only reason I don't include the OS in builds anymore is because since the release of Windows 10, two years ago, I have yet to see ANYBODY who had a valid Windows 7, 8/8.1 or 10 installation get troubled for swapping it from the old one to the new hardware so long as they upgraded/clean installed windows 10. Even people who had NO operating system and installed 10 still have functional systems if you can ignore the water mark.

Basically, if you have a system now with an OS on it, you don't need a new one. I haven't seen anybody get rejected yet like it was in the Win7 and 8 days.

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