Which PSU should I get?

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SPECS:
CPU: Intel Core i5 6500 3.20 GHz Quad Core Skylake Desktop Processor, Socket LGA 1151, 6MB Cache BX80662I56500
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Mini ITX OC 3GB GDDR5 Graphics Card (GV-N1060IXOC-3GD)
RAM: Ballistix Sport LT 8GB Single DDR4 2400 MT/s (PC4-19200) DIMM 288-Pin - BLS8G4D240FSB (Gray)
CASE: Zalman ATX Mid Tower PC Case Z1 Neo
MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE GA-H110M-A LGA1151 Intel H110 Micro ATX DDR4 Motherboard

Other than this I've had a few suggestions ALL those parts are already purchased.
NOISE IS NOT AN ISSUE! I don't care if it's super loud. I just want good quality.

Thank you!
 
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No, was simply allowing for the price vs a "correctly sized" PSU. I mean that's great and all but why spend more for the 450 version when the 550W is less money. It will run roughly in it's "sweet spot" and will run a 1070 Later.

Trifire isn't Nvidia, it's AMD. I'm pulling over 1000 watts out of a 1250W seasonic and have been for three years. It will live. At the time it was the only genuine solution for 4K gaming.

Doesn't really matter what life expectancy you give it personally, real circuits are built for 80 % continuous load. Not peak, continuous. Look it up in the engineering handbook.



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You're the second person to suggest this. I think this will be the one.
 
for future builds, a couple of "rules of thumb" an electrical engineer gave me that have helped me:

1) average current draw (watts) should be 50-55% of the PSU's max output
2) peak draw should not exceed 75-80% max of the PSU's max output

You can simply add the cpu's TDP plus the TDP of the video card, + 20-25 watts for mobo, 5 watts per HDD
and go from there

If you read the spec charts on the PSUs, you'll find their "sweet spot" in terms of efficiency (ie 100 watts in = 94 watts out), distortion etc are at their best at 50-55% of the PSU's max output. So the closer you get to the PSU's max, the dirtier the current gets, and the less efficient that PSU is

fwiw
 

Mark RM

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So where did you hear this? I'm kind of curious.

 

Mark RM

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Electrical circuits are designed for constant 80% load. They peak at their rated capacity. That includes well built PSU's. It also includes the circuits in your home.

Well built PSU's offer clean power entirely throughout their range,they don't exceed specifications with more load (right up to the shutdown point).

Sizing PSU's - I agree, leave some headroom for the unexpected.

a 50 percent rule of thumb is insane however. What am I going to do with a trifire setup? size a 2K PSU? nope. I'm going to size a 1250 and it will work and keep working because that's what they're designed for.

The concepts mean well and undersizing something doesn't result in injury or death when it comes to electricity, but it's not accurate.

 
well, in that case help me reconcile the PSU you recommended with what you just stated.

i couldn't find the TDP on his GIG 1060 3 GB, so i pulled up the TDP for a Zotac mini gpu w/3 GB (https://www.zotac.com/product/graphics_card/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-mini#spec) and it showed 120 watts, plus the 65 watts for his CPU is 185 watts. FIgure 25 watts for mobo = 210 watts. 210/550 = 38% draw when he's running that cpu & GPU at 100% ?? I figured you were allowing for some extra headroom

You stated "Electrical circuits are designed for constant 80% load." I'm not electrically literate i have known about the 50-55% avg load for power supplies for a long time before the engineer gave his rules of thumb. What i have also known for a long time was that 80% was the max load recommended for a power supply in ordinary non-electronic scenarios. i looked and apparently seasonic is no longer posting the data graphs on their PSUs, but notice 2nd line down on the very seasonic PSU i'm running on this computer (different rig than the one in my sig below), they state 90% efficiency at 50% load - it falls off dramatically above 80% load, and i mean down to 75 or 77% at 90% load. Same with harmonic distortion and the other electronic values, they go even further south. The further above 50% of the PSU's max output, the worse it gets.

Running a triple SLI, I don't know what GPUs you'd be running in a triple SLI setup, so I'll assume GTX 1080s at 180 watts each = 540 watts, - i don't know what cpu you'd run, so i'll assume 100 watts that brings us to 625 watts, + 25 watts for mobo means 650 watts. So you wouldn't be crowding a 1250 watt cpu at all - 650/1250 = 52% of the PSU's max output at 100% load. The very PSU you tell me you'd run is exactly within the rule of thumb that electrical engineer suggested. Not sure what your dispute is about??? The PSU you recommended for the OP's application is actually more conservative than my rule of thumb.

If you ran GTX 1080 Ti GPUs, it'd be 250 watts per, or 750 total + 100 watts for the CPU + 25 watts for the mobo = 875 watts / 1250 = 70% - sorry bud, but you would be stressing that PSU in that scenario - i wouldn't give it the greatest life expectancy. I suspect you'd run a 1500W PSU which would mean a 58% draw at 100% load

If my math is wrong, tell me

 

Mark RM

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No, was simply allowing for the price vs a "correctly sized" PSU. I mean that's great and all but why spend more for the 450 version when the 550W is less money. It will run roughly in it's "sweet spot" and will run a 1070 Later.

Trifire isn't Nvidia, it's AMD. I'm pulling over 1000 watts out of a 1250W seasonic and have been for three years. It will live. At the time it was the only genuine solution for 4K gaming.

Doesn't really matter what life expectancy you give it personally, real circuits are built for 80 % continuous load. Not peak, continuous. Look it up in the engineering handbook.



 
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again, i'm not electrically literate - this engineer did a lot of work for us (we fab a lot of custom equipment/machinery for customers and we used him for the electrical requirements. He may have been conservative but that fell in line
with our attitude.

all's well, have a good night
 

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Thank you for your help and the advice!!
This will be good for the future.
Also what do you think about the PSU they suggested?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139147
 

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Thank you for the advice and the rule. I will go by this from now on. I am fairly new to the whole computer spec world. But i've found a lot of great advice I will be using as time goes on.
Thank you!