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Hey guys could you please give me your opinion on this build? Itll be used mainly for gaming however also for video editing, programming and running virtual machines. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JXZ3f8 is this the best I can get at that price point? Is there anything I should change? Please let me know, thanks.
 
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As I mentioned, it entirely depends what you're trying to achieve -- and at what resolution.

Editing/Rendering/Programming may well benefit from the added cores/threads. Depending on specific applications though, there's an equal chance the higher clock speed could be more beneficial.

From a gaming perspective, at 1080p yes; there would likely be substantial performance gains with the i7.

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If you're gaming at 1440p or 4K (which I'd hope you are with a 1080TI) then you actually see very similar performance on average (although there will be some variance title by title, of course).

As you'll see here:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1505-intel-core-8th-gen-vs-amd-ryzen/page6.html

Even at 1440p, the gap is within ~5% generally...
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You can save quite a bit of cash going with a smaller M.2 SSD/HDD combo and get more space, these are the changes I'd go with. The memory you picked was really overpriced as well.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor (£349.95 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£125.95 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£149.98 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£142.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£125.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.00 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card (£730.00 @ Aria PC)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£84.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1837.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-02 21:21 GMT+0000

£315.58 cheaper.
 
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Solid, well-rounded rig.

Anything I'd suggest would be aiming for similar/equal performance for less money - but will depend on the specific applications you intend to use.
For example, for that kind of money, a Ryzen7 1700-1800X (8c/16t) would be achievable.
Looking at it strictly for gaming at resolutions <4K, it would likely fall behind a little in performance -- BUT, it may well be more beneficial in certain programming/editing applications, and potentially for VM's too.

Equally, I'd ask whether a 1TB M.2 is a necessity? It may well be for you, but for most people, they'd rarely even noticed the difference between a 1TB M.2 SSD and say a 250-500GB SSD paired with a 2TB HDD.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor (£297.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£125.95 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM ATX AM4 Motherboard (£121.95 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£142.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£209.95 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.00 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card (£685.00 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£105.46 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1823.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-02 21:28 GMT+0000

You could even move to 32GB of RAM and still be a couple of hundred below what you were initially proposing.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor (£297.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£125.95 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM ATX AM4 Motherboard (£121.95 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£236.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£209.95 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.00 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card (£685.00 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£105.46 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1917.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-02 21:29 GMT+0000
 
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Depending on the number of VMs, amount of video editing or if you are trying to do both at the same time. You may find 16GB of RAM is limiting.

DDR4 DRAM production is supposed to increase in 2018. However, more smartphones are switching to DDR4. So, it is up in the air as to whether prices will continue to climb or fall. There can also be issues with adding RAM later. Even if it is the same make and model you may lose XMP settings or even dual channel. Because one set of that Corsair RAM may have been manufactured by Samsung and the second by SK Hynix, both by Samsung at different factories, different chips with same performance, &c.

I'd get at least 32GB RAM for your uses. No one ever complained about having too much RAM.
 
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VMs will be used as penetration testing as im looking into cyber security for the future. So they'll only be open when im working on a project also video editing will be more of a hobby maybe a side job all these programs will be run at separate times.
 
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Should I also go for a Arous gpu?
 
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Looking at benchmarks isnt the 8700K much better?
 
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As I mentioned, it entirely depends what you're trying to achieve -- and at what resolution.

Editing/Rendering/Programming may well benefit from the added cores/threads. Depending on specific applications though, there's an equal chance the higher clock speed could be more beneficial.

From a gaming perspective, at 1080p yes; there would likely be substantial performance gains with the i7.

BUT
If you're gaming at 1440p or 4K (which I'd hope you are with a 1080TI) then you actually see very similar performance on average (although there will be some variance title by title, of course).

As you'll see here:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1505-intel-core-8th-gen-vs-amd-ryzen/page6.html

Even at 1440p, the gap is within ~5% generally (paired with a Vega 64) between the $225 Ryzen5 1600X (and likely the 1600 too) and the $380 i7-8700K. 95% of the performance at stock speeds, for 60% of the cost. When you step up to 4K benchmarks, the gap is pretty much non-existent.

So, from a gaming perspective.... it's not going to matter much at all (outside of a few specific titles)

So then it really boils down to how heavily you want to build around your other goals; editing, programming, VMs etc.


Realistically, performance-wise (in Gaming); the difference between something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£159.54 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VDH Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£64.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£142.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£67.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.00 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card (£685.00 @ Aria PC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 3.1 TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£39.67 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£74.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1289.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-02 21:42 GMT+0000

And the build you proposed would be negligible at best. While saving you 860 quid.
 
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It is a good build, but might not be ideal for your stated goals. I tweaked it towards my own bias (no longer trust ASUS, due to QA issues).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor (£349.95 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£72.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370 AORUS Gaming 7 (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£237.41 @ More Computers)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£142.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£209.95 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£269.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card (£705.23 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT - H700i ATX Mid Tower Case (£179.00 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£94.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £2261.50

If you are mostly about gaming, or are willing to compromise slightly on other tasks for gaming, it is a fantastic build. One anyone would love to own. However if you are mostly looking for good gaming and great at video editing and programming, I would go with a Ryzen.
I am not a ryzen fan boy. I recently built a 8700k for a combination of gaming, programming, video/photo editing and 3d modeling/rendering. In my case I felt that the Intel was very close to a 1800x in everything and better at gaming, and so I went that route. But if I had prioritized things just slightly differently, the Ryzen is a good option.

What a ryzen version of the above would look like:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor (£297.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£72.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AX370-Gaming K7 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£191.94 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£142.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£209.95 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£269.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card (£705.23 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT - H700i ATX Mid Tower Case (£179.00 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£94.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £2163.67

 
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So overall I could get something like the 1800x and still get similar performance while gaming?
 
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Not really a fan of going air cooling with the 8700k without delidding it temperatures will be high.
 
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Spoken like someone who hasn't tried it.

The Noctua cooler will be about the same temps as AIO (very close except in extreme loads where it will be 3-4 degrees warmer) and is less prone to failure (no pump to suddenly stop working in 6 months time)
temp-load.jpg

http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/2


 
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Just saying from what Ive managed to read.
 
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Read the comparison I updated the previous post with. The Noctua's a big, and can be a pain to get installed in some cases. I use a Noctua on a 8700k and the temps are fine, even overclocked.

 
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You could get a Ryzen5 1600 (6c/12t) and get very similar performance while gaming* - while still being a solid performer in your other stated goals.

Given you're looking at VM's etc as hobbies more than anything else, I wouldn't invest too much in that side of things.
A 6c/12t chip should be more than sufficient.

*Again, assuming 1440p or 4K. I haven't re-read the thread, but I don't believe you've stated the intended resolution.
 
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There is no advantage with a 1600x. It won't match the 8700k in anything unless some other component is holding the system back. The 1800x on the other had with it's two additional cores would at least come close in everything and win in a few things (the highly threaded tasks like a compiler).

If you want to be simplistic you can approximate the performance with this:
GHZ x cores x efficiency.
so at a typical Ryzen overclock of 3.9 x 8 x .9 (approx 10%) = ~28.1
At a typical coffeelake overclock of 4.9 x 6 x 1.0 = 29.4
Hyper-threading ignored since it adds roughly 5% performance for really massive tasks.
so at a typical Ryzen overclock of 3.9 x 8 x 1.05 x .9 (approx 10%) = ~29.5
At a typical coffeelake overclock of 4.9 x 6 x 1.05 x 1.0 = 30.9

The fewer the cores used, the greater the lead by the 8700k.

Meaning unless the extra cores are really being well used the ryzen will trail in CPU intensive tasks so long as both are overclocked with the same reasonable skill.

However I have a lot of confidence in the AMD at things like running a compiler or Cinema 4d. Hence my recommendation to also consider the 1800x, but not the 1600x.
 
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I didn't say there was any advantage to a 1600X (I mentioned a 1600 most recently) - and I didn't claim it would "match" the 8700K.

What I did say way the OP could expect very similar performance when gaming at higher resolutions.... while also getting respectable performance in the other tasks they want to be able to perform. Absolutely no sense in investing the +$200 or more (IMO) for tasks that are, at best; a hobby.

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The image shows what a GPU bound CPU will look like. Useful if everything he was doing was GPU bound. That particular CPU is good deal slower than the one he is considering. But more importantly, actual CPU performance is more indicative of what the different options will do for you, particularly if you upgrade the GPU at some point and are less GPU bound.

Value is a toughie since we all have different goals and budgets. Since he was talking about the 8700k, and that was in his budget, why suggest slower solutions? Not saying a 1600/1600x would suck, only that it is clearly inferior to what he is considering and at some point that inferior CPU will be exposed by the a GPU and even from day 1 it won't be as good at his non-gaming tasks as a 8700k or 1800x.
 
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Those benchmarks are showing higher resolution gaming, yes. Which, would be the OP's primary use case.
It'll be used mainly for gaming
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Why? Because when you actually read what the OP wants to do, there's really nothing to be gained (performance-wise) that'll justify the >800GBP additional investment.

VMs will be used as penetration testing as im looking into cyber security for the future. So they'll only be open when im working on a project also video editing will be more of a hobby maybe a side job all these programs will be run at separate times.
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So, when you can achieve very similar performance in what you want to achieve (not saying identical, nor "better") for about 60% of the initial cost...... why wouldn't I suggest it?
 
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