I’m building a budget 4K Gaming Rig - what processor will I need?

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I’m building my first pc and I want to be able to run stuff like steam on it, in 4K.
I’m thinking of getting the AMD FX-Series FX-6300, and I am wondering whether that runs 4K in gaming or if I should upgrade.
I’m looking for a budget one. Please advise.
 
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Still highly unlikely. For 60fps 4k gaming even on medium settings you would need something like a 1070. Again with the incredible gouging going on with GPU's that alone will be about $600-700 AUD.
If the GPU gouging weren't as bad as it is, yes that might be doable. But as it is now.. it's very improbable. 4k gaming is very hard to achieve. I'm still scratching my head figuring out how Xbox One X is only $500 and gets 30fps 4k with decent graphics.

Flip the script....

You could build a system for less than $1000 and be able to play at 1080p on Ultra 60fps for the most part. As opposed to 30fps on medium 4k for the same price.
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CPU's are about the same across the board. it's actually better for cpu's to run at higher resolutions, where most of the load is on the GPU and capabilities of the refresh rate are lower. It's much easier on the CPU to run 4k 60Hz than 1080p 144Hz. But 60Hz on any resolution is about the same as far as the CPU is concerned.

If you are looking for budget 4k gaming, in all honesty I would get an Xbox One X. There's no PC you can build for the same price that would meet that performance at 4k. (i'd say you can get that with about $750-$1000, 60fps forget about it.)

For example to run at 30fps medium settings at 4k you would need at least a 1060. Those are about $300 for just that one part right now. That leaves $200 for the rest of the system. Impossible.

So really it depends on your budget.

But no the FX series is terrible it will likely not be able to keep up at 4k.
 
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I already have a console, but I’m looking into gaming for steam mainly. I was wondering whether I could get 4K within my $900AUD budget. For this I was thinking would it give my 4K with 60+ FPS.
Any suggestions? (Got about $150 to $200 to spend on the processor now, after upgrading my power supply
 
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Still highly unlikely. For 60fps 4k gaming even on medium settings you would need something like a 1070. Again with the incredible gouging going on with GPU's that alone will be about $600-700 AUD.
If the GPU gouging weren't as bad as it is, yes that might be doable. But as it is now.. it's very improbable. 4k gaming is very hard to achieve. I'm still scratching my head figuring out how Xbox One X is only $500 and gets 30fps 4k with decent graphics.

Flip the script....

You could build a system for less than $1000 and be able to play at 1080p on Ultra 60fps for the most part. As opposed to 30fps on medium 4k for the same price.
 
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This is what you would be looking at in your budget for 60fps @4k, and you are still missing roughly half the build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($264.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($138.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($409.00 @ IJK)
Total: $811.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-12 04:36 AEDT+1100
 
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If you can, that would give you a better chance. You would just need some decent ddr4 RAM, possibly a better power supply. And a monitor. Without all that you're looking at roughly 1200 for a full build, after taxes. depending on what is usable in your current build.
 
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That is all bullsh*t. The CPU runs at the same load no matter the resolution. It does the same amount of work. The GPU slows down at higher resolution, and does not keep up with the CPU.

 
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The graphics card is what you should be worried about if the CPU is fast enough. At lower resolutions, the load isn't quite as high on the GPU, and the CPU might become the bottleneck. If your CPU is fast enough, then yeah, the GPU is what you should be looking after.

So, your budget is around a thousand AUD? That's.. not enough for a 4K gaming rig. At least for modern triple A titles.
 
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Actually it's not BS. I said they perform the same across different resolutions. they only factor in to refresh rates.

Just because you don't understand what I mean doesn't mean i'm wrong.....


What I meant was its better for a CPU to run at 4k 60Hz rather than 1080p 144Hz. If all you play is 60Hz a CPU will perform the same as it would at 4k 60Hz.

But thanks for the input even if it's exactly the same thing you said reworded...
 
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And no the GPU does not "slow down" at higher resolutions. It hits a capacity and can only render so many pixels at a time. That's not slowing down it just has more to do than it can already handle and that translates into lower fps. Where at 1080p a gpu can handle it just fine once you introduce 4 times as many pixels (4k) it can no longer handle the workload.
 
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Unfortunately, it's not. Also, I'd recommend you to go with an i5. Even a Kaby Lake i5 is better than a Ryzen 5 at games.

Yes, it is. The load on the CPU won't change regardless of resolution.

Also no, it's not better nor worse for a CPU to play at any resolution. The load will still be the same.

That's what I meant anyway.

 
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Umm no... at 144Hz the CPU will be working MUCH harder to achieve that higher regresh rate, whereas at lower refresh rate, you would have some kind of sync to prevent screen-tear. If you don't have sync the screen will tear and yes they would perform the same at that point.

And no, the 7600k is about the only i5 better than the Ryzen 1600, however with the higher cost of the chip, the higher cost of a Z270 board and the need to buy a cooler it would end up being about $60 more. And then the difference is small.
 
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-1600-cpu,5073-6.html

Take this for example:

If you are playing GTA V on a 1600 at 4k (lets just say with a 1080 Ti) you would hit 60fps pretty much the whole time no problem. not even using 100% of the CPU.

Now lets say you are trying to run it at 1080p 144Hz... Now you have a problem.. because even though the resolution is much lower and the 1080 Ti has no issue running it at 144fps or even way higher.. the CPU physically cannot keep up and cannot push 75fps....

Flip that around lets assume the fancy new 144Hz 4k monitor... Now the GPU is struggling because it can only hit about 60fps or so.. the CPU is still laid back a little bit because its being held back by the GPU not being able to push more than 60fps.


THAT's what I mean by saying that higher resolutions are better for the CPU.

144Hz 1080p is not even out of the question for budget builds anymore either.. they make them for like $150 now. They're still half the price of 4k monitors. I'm saying from a CPU standpoint it would be a helluva lot easier running that 4k monitor on a budget-midrange CPU than it would running that 144Hz monitor. I don't even think the former is really possible. 144Hz is no easy feat for all CPU's. Obviously not even the 1600 would be capable of it, where it would run 4k just fine.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0oSYTP24rU

$60-70 more for a couple of fps... (side note: that guy was NOT using 3200MHz RAM, which Ryzen will benefit from. So no, no Kaby Lake i5 will be better than the 1600)

No. There is one i5 that is better than a 1600 and that is the 8600k. And that one for the z370 board, a cooler, and the chip itself would be more like $120 more.

Don't get me wrong I freaking love Intel. I probably will never own an AMD part ever, but Ryzen does extremely well in the 1600 with price per dollar. It is probably the most cost-effect gaming CPU there is. and more than capable of delivering 60+fps in any game. It's just stupid to go with anything else unless you're trying for 144Hz. Or unless you are building a system specifically for WoW, PUBG, or any other unoptimized game.
 
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I beg to differ with the 1080 Ti comment. You can play almost any game out there at 60+fps 4k with a 1080Ti. The ONLY game I have ever run into problems with is BF1. That game is just a beast. And in any case. You are referring to Ultra presets, which are a joke at 4k. Most of them include AA. You can EASILY add another 10tps by turning off AA, which is almost useless at 4k as it is. The pixels are so dense that there's very little difference if any at 4k.
 
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Proof?

No, even the i5-7600 is better than the 1600 at gaming.

Here's the i5-7600K taking out the 1600X in games, using a GTX 1080, which reduces the gap between them (using a 1080 Ti would widen the gap). The 8600K blows the 1600X out of the water.

The 7th gen i5s are better than the current Ryzen 5s at gaming. You're the one who's spreading misinformation. Also, don't push the "AMD only benefits from faster RAM speeds" narrative. Both benefit from it, and in the article above, both use the same RAM speed.
 
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