AMD/NVIDIA GPU Contradiction, any advice is appreciated

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Hello guys, I am building a new desktop and I have some contradictions that I need to solve.

So for a while now I wanted to build a 1800x + vega64 setup, however as you may all noticed vega 64's are very hard to find at a decent price. Keep in mind, I'll use this set up 50% for gaming, 10% for surfing, 20% for working(no computing stress), 20% for working - content & video editing.

What I plan salvage from my previous setup:
1080p 240hz 1ms Freesync monitor / 2TB of SATA HDD

What I have purchased so far:
I have a MSI X370 mobo
I have Ryzen compatible 8x2 3200 MhZ DDR4 ram sticks
Corsair full-tower (I think 720d)

What I have set my mind to purchase:
Ryzen 1800x + Corsair Liquid Cooler
1000W+ Corsair PSU

Where I contradict, can't decide: First of all I have no intentions to buy a new monitor, HOWEVER, does insisting on vega 64 liquid cooled (or air cooled) just because I have a freesync monitor worth it? I like AMD overall and I have been somewhat loyal to them. My alternative to vega 64, is 1080 TI. I know for 1080p gaming it's an overkill but I like pushing those FPS numbers, rather than seeing the 2k and 4k image on my screen. I know, the monitor specs I provided above, are perfectly okay without the gysnc and freesync, however just feels wrong to use a freesync monitor with a NVIDIA GPU. For a fact, both GPU's at the moment are overpriced. Vega 64 is almost impossible to find even if I find one, it's at least $1000 (which is definitely not worth for vega 64) but it seems like I can find a 1080 TI around $850-$950 range.


So I hope I was able to make my case. I am pretty much set in terms of mind about the GPU; it's either vega64 or 1080 TI. Also I know Ryzen 1700 is basically Ryzen 1800x with some tinkering and OC'ing, but I have no intentions to tinker with any spec of my CPU. I will use it at stock values. And yes, I am not a very smart customer :)

So I guess it all comes down to: Ryzen 1800x + 1080 TI - or - Ryzen 1800x + Vega 64 , keeping in mind my monitor is a freesync monitor. I have done no research about the new releases from either company, so perhaps more tech enthusiasts friends can advice regarding to waiting for a system build as well :)

Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance!! :) Cheers!
 
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coozie7
First off don't be too worried about the Freesync/Gsync issue, your current display will work perfectly well with a Nvidia card, in the Nvidia control panel just set the monitor refresh rate to 'highest available' and the Vsync option to 'Adaptive' leaving Vsync off in the game settings-it worked for me with a GTX1080/144Hz Freesync display! ;)

To really push the FPS in games you'll be better off with an Intel CPU, but for the other uses you have in mind the extra cores of an R7 1800X will probably be useful, so I'll guess, like me, you'll trade a little FPS for better rendering performance.

If you're definitely going to stick with stock speeds, then the R7 1800X is the fastest option available, although the significantly cheaper R7...
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1. I will get 1700 and OC to ~3.7, I don't see much value getting 1800X and liquid cooler.
2. CPU will bound you to ~100 FPS for AAA titles. If you play games like CSGO, you don't need a great GPU to reach 200 FPS.
3. I am amazed you didn't want to buy an NVME ssd for video editing
4. For the budget you have and with savings on Ryzen 1700, I will get this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($288.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $0.00)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Samsung)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB SC2 Gaming iCX Video Card ($799.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Case: Corsair - 750D ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell - S2716DG 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($461.23 @ Amazon)
Total: $1734.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-13 22:56 EST-0500

Wait for 1080 to drop to normal 500 range. 1440p 144Hz gaming is much better than 1080p and you can use your old monitor as second monitor.

 
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you are making some incredibly bad choices, you have a proper budget and a very high refresh rate monitor
going ryzen is going to seriously limit your fps, in modern games you would be lucky to break 90 fps

you need to go i7 8700k setup, there is nothing any ryzen overclocked or otherwise can do to match it especially if you want high refresh rates. Even at work related tasks as well.



you dont need a 1000w power supply, 650w is PLENTY for even a 1080 ti

XD seriously though, poor choices
 
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@ maxalge

You are not helping. OP clearly said he had purchased X370 MB. Ryzen 1700 does trail 8700k in game FPS, is 8700k priced the same as Ryzen 7? Not to mention you will need good motherboard and expensive cooler to get to good overclocking. Furthermore, Zen 2 is 12 nm, Zen 3 could be 7 nm and AM4 will last another 2-3 years, what about 1151?

@ OP, some benchmarks comparison in gaming: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1950?vs=2047
You can see they are close in many games.
Above is just Intel fan boy and is willing to trash AMD whenever he has a chance. There is nothing wrong to go with Ryzen, but I suggest you wait for Zen 2 release, it is finest 12 nm chip and leaked data showing 2300X beating 7700k single core score, but could be just rumors. Recent CES confirms release date is April.
 
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he can sell them

also NONE of the ryzens can beat the i5 8400 at gaming, its not even close with a 8700k


also he wants a 1800x, the 8700k is not only cheaper it is also very much superior

there are plenty of good z370 mobos for ~$110 - 120

what? the new z370 mobos will easily have at least one upgrade as well
just like the z87 mobos can handle a i7 4790k


dont grasp at straws, he is making bad choices for what he wants to do


/shrug
 
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First off don't be too worried about the Freesync/Gsync issue, your current display will work perfectly well with a Nvidia card, in the Nvidia control panel just set the monitor refresh rate to 'highest available' and the Vsync option to 'Adaptive' leaving Vsync off in the game settings-it worked for me with a GTX1080/144Hz Freesync display! ;)

To really push the FPS in games you'll be better off with an Intel CPU, but for the other uses you have in mind the extra cores of an R7 1800X will probably be useful, so I'll guess, like me, you'll trade a little FPS for better rendering performance.

If you're definitely going to stick with stock speeds, then the R7 1800X is the fastest option available, although the significantly cheaper R7 1700 can get close to its performance with a little overclocking-and it'll overclock to about 3.7GHz on the stock cooler-maybe its something you might want to consider given that an 'X' series motherboard will have a built in automatic overclock feature available through the BIOS.

Right now is, as you know, a very bad time to be GPU shopping, so I'll advise you hold off on this purchase until prices get back to something like normal, maybe getting a used part off E-bay as a stop-gap or aiming at a low/er end card like the RX560/GTX1050, again as a stop gap until things settle down.

If you can hold off until later this year AMD should release their updated Ryzen parts, but that'll be sometime around April.
 
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Those are some good advices man. I bought x370 very cheap, something like $70 dollars 2 months ago and I was holding off the upgrade hoping for better availability and oh boy, what little I knew. Also since I already have a mobo, I don't plan to switch to intel, may be 3 years later :) As there will be better and faster hardware along the way.

As for GPU, I think the common sense here to go with either 1080 or 1080 TI as you all endorsed, thank you all very much for the comments! :)
 
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