Need help with build.

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 14, 2018

This is what I planned on getting, but being fairly new to building my own PC, I probably need expert's input. I already have a 1080ti, so that's not in the cart. I also have 24gb of ram so that's also not needed

https://imgur.com/a/MM176

I would really appreciate some advice. Thanks!

ArchitSahu · Jan 15, 2018

For the 7700k, you need a cooler as the processor does not come with one. THe 7700k is also last gen, so the coffee lake is better suited.

What about storage? Do you need a HDD or SSD?

This build should have all that you need:
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cYpLVY
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cYpLVY/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($379.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($111.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.69 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $787.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-15 00:09 EST-0500

With a SSD for OS and HDD for mass storage. If you do mind a Watermark, you can download the Windows ISO off the webpage and not activate it, thus saving money on the OS>

volkgren · Jan 15, 2018

You've got 7th-gen Intel there. It's good. But 8th-gen is out and would be a better choice for the future. So that would be a Z370 motherboard and an i5-8600K (equal or better than i7-7700K) or i7-8700K.

Next I see your power supply is the old B1, which weren't that good compared to their B2 series. I suggest a better PSU, which would likely increase your budget. SeaSonic FOCUS Plus or EVGA G2, G3 or Corsair TXM or RMx. 650W or greater.

And last thing is the CPU cooler. The Hyper 212 would barely keep that 7700K from getting too hot. If you go with 8th-gen, I'd suggest Cryorig H5 or Noctua NH-U12S or better.

volkgren · Jan 15, 2018

ArchitSahu :

I had the Cryorig H7 with my i7-7700K. It was okay for stock clocks for the most part. But playing AC Origins it got up to 80C at times. I think the i7-8700K runs hotter doesn't it? I would suggest at least Cryorig H5.

*Since I'm mentioning the H5. I will say the H5 Ultimate will block the first RAM slot. The H5 Universal has a thinner front fan and will not block any RAM slot.

ArchitSahu · Jan 15, 2018

volkgren :

Ooops, did not know that. The H7 was chosen just as a basic cooler.

Sure, the H5 would be a better option then. Thanks for the notice!

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dDwgMp
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dDwgMp/by_merchant/

CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $46.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-15 00:18 EST-0500

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 15, 2018

Would a 650 Watt PSU be enough for a 1080ti? Also, the 87k at 3.7 ghz would be better than the 77k? I have an SSD and an HDD though. And why MSI over the STRIX motherboard? My 1080ti is also a STRIX so I figured the lighting would be nice. I do see its a lot cheaper though. Are the lights the only difference? And is the case you listed better than the one I had in mind? If so, how so? Sorry for questioning, just trying to learn a little more about hardware

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 15, 2018

I am also pretty concerned about cooling. volkgren, you mentioned I should "at least" get the H5. I don't mind having my first ram slot blocked. I do some 4k gaming but mostly at 1080 widescreen at 144hz. Is there an even better cooler I can get that's not liquid cooling?

So I guess my question is, should I get the ultimate or the universal?

AniChatt · Jan 15, 2018

alkatraz333.jh :

I will not discourage you to ditch msi but almost any top of the line reviews says MSI voltage rectifiers and vrms are not that good quality than Asus, Gigabyte. you may google it. even asrock has better vrm/rectifiers in their top of the line mobos. Since you have a strix card buy the stix model it will help you to use aura on your mobo to sync everything RGB stuff.
Corsair RMx is one of the very best out there and yes 650W is just fine for you. You can go higher if you have plenty but as long as ur using a single card you will be fine even for long run. You may also try seasonic Prime and Focus series they are also very good.
And please you you can not wait till april buy at least 8th gen intel but the currently, meltdown and other security velnerability will be there. Of course I don't know is there any real issues with it or not but for intel they need hardware level fix for this and it can not be addressed properly with windows patch. As per news they will fix it in their next gen cpus and however amd is not affected due to different instruction set that they use till date. SO if possible wait till april for ryzen2 and intel release. You may get a better deal in coffeelake that time too.

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 15, 2018

AniChatt :

alkatraz333.jh :

I will not discourage you to ditch msi but almost any top of the line reviews says MSI voltage rectifiers and vrms are not that good quality than Asus, Gigabyte. you may google it. even asrock has better vrm/rectifiers in their top of the line mobos. Since you have a strix card buy the stix model it will help you to use aura on your mobo to sync everything RGB stuff.
Corsair RMx is one of the very best out there and yes 650W is just fine for you. You can go higher if you have plenty but as long as ur using a single card you will be fine even for long run. You may also try seasonic Prime and Focus series they are also very good.
And please you you can not wait till april buy at least 8th gen intel but the currently, meltdown and other security velnerability will be there. Of course I don't know is there any real issues with it or not but for intel they need hardware level fix for this and it can not be addressed properly with windows patch. As per news they will fix it in their next gen cpus and however amd is not affected due to different instruction set that they use till date. SO if possible wait till april for ryzen2 and intel release. You may get a better deal in coffeelake that time too.

I kinda need something sooner than april. What else do you suggest I get then if I need to get it now?

AniChatt · Jan 15, 2018

alkatraz333.jh :

AniChatt :

I kinda need something sooner than april. What else do you suggest I get then if I need to get it now?

For cpu temp buy a Hyper TX3 EVO cheap one or Hyper 212 EVO (much better). But your cpu will not throttle at 80. So you can avoid it.
GPU: if you are planning to use it say at least for 3-4yr avoid reference design for all cost. If you are planning to use it for 2yrs max buy the FE card reference you are talking about.

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 15, 2018

Is there anyway someone could live chat with me in discord or something? Or steam chat, or skype, anything like that. I have more questions that I kinda need a professional to answer. Reply to this if you would be willing. Thanks so much!

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 15, 2018

AniChatt :

alkatraz333.jh :

For cpu temp buy a Hyper TX3 EVO cheap one or Hyper 212 EVO (much better). But your cpu will not throttle at 80. So you can avoid it.
GPU: if you are planning to use it say at least for 3-4yr avoid reference design for all cost. If you are planning to use it for 2yrs max buy the FE card reference you are talking about.

I meant, what CPU should I get? You asked if I could wait till April for the new release but AMD isn't affected. So, would you say I should get an AMD processor? If so, whats AMDs equivalent to an I7-8700k?

AniChatt · Jan 15, 2018

alkatraz333.jh :

Opps! A bit misunderstanding here. I am not telling u to stay away from intel. Right now i7-8700k is the best for gaming and even 1800x r7 from amd is not close for single core (IPC) performance and i7 ocs like a boss. Now the recent mess of security vulnerability specially for intel as per expert reviews is hardware level and you can say that the way windows interacts with CPU that can not be fixed in bios or os patch (it will be a partial cure not a total removal since it will be there in hardware level). So if a hacker can find a way to bypass this fix he can access the data. There is a big Now I don't know how hackers will do but I don't think the whole intel or consumers will get collapsed by the hackers for this reason (so far it does not seems like that) so don't be scared. there are plenty of reviews related to meltdown and spectre issue, have a look.

lastly if you do gaming only then i7 8700k will be a absolute beast but for overall bang for the buck ryzen is better (value winner). And ryzen refresh will going to release in april possibly followed by intel so if you can wait it will be better otherwise buy what is the best for your need.

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 15, 2018

AniChatt :

alkatraz333.jh :

Opps! A bit misunderstanding here. I am not telling u to stay away from intel. Right now i7-8700k is the best for gaming and even 1800x r7 from amd is not close for single core (IPC) performance and i7 ocs like a boss. Now the recent mess of security vulnerability specially for intel as per expert reviews is hardware level and you can say that the way windows interacts with CPU that can not be fixed in bios or os patch (it will be a partial cure not a total removal since it will be there in hardware level). So if a hacker can find a way to bypass this fix he can access the data. There is a big Now I don't know how hackers will do but I don't think the whole intel or consumers will get collapsed by the hackers for this reason (so far it does not seems like that) so don't be scared. there are plenty of reviews related to meltdown and spectre issue, have a look.

lastly if you do gaming only then i7 8700k will be a absolute beast but for overall bang for the buck ryzen is better (value winner). And ryzen refresh will going to release in april possibly followed by intel so if you can wait it will be better otherwise buy what is the best for your need.

Hm. Okay, thank you for the info. Is the R7 1800 the best AMD sells? If so, how much less powerful is it than from an I7-6700k?

AniChatt · Jan 15, 2018

alkatraz333.jh :

AMD R7 1800x is the top for AMD. It is on AM4 platform and the good thing is you can use CPU up to Ryzen that will be released in 2020 on this board with bios update. However AMD is releasing X470 (CES2018) AM4 with more features than currently available X370 chipset.
Do you have access of i7 6700K? then stick with this cpu and if you can oc the hell out of it. It will be somewhat similar to a 1800x for single core and gaming performance. Have a look:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3502vs3916
Where 1800x shines is multi-core enhanced workload than a 6700K. Now if your current system is 6700K pls don't buy anything right now. If not then even a i5-8600k will be better than 1800x for most of the gaming title, as current games can not take more advantage of more cores than more single core performance; it may change in future but not for now for the majority of titles.
I think I have stated the fact clearly what you can decide on which basis.

alkatraz333.jh · Jan 15, 2018

AniChatt :

alkatraz333.jh :

AMD R7 1800x is the top for AMD. It is on AM4 platform and the good thing is you can use CPU up to Ryzen that will be released in 2020 on this board with bios update. However AMD is releasing X470 (CES2018) AM4 with more features than currently available X370 chipset.
Do you have access of i7 6700K? then stick with this cpu and if you can oc the hell out of it. It will be somewhat similar to a 1800x for single core and gaming performance. Have a look:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3502vs3916
Where 1800x shines is multi-core enhanced workload than a 6700K. Now if your current system is 6700K pls don't buy anything right now. If not then even a i5-8600k will be better than 1800x for most of the gaming title, as current games can not take more advantage of more cores than more single core performance; it may change in future but not for now for the majority of titles.
I think I have stated the fact clearly what you can decide on which basis.

I do have an I7-6700k, but my mother board broke, so I need to replace it anyways. So I figured id just buy a new CPU with it. Do you think I should just buy a new motherboard for the I7-6700k? I feel like that would be a waste though, because as soon as a new CPU comes out, I'm going to have to spend more money on it.

AniChatt · Jan 15, 2018

alkatraz333.jh :

AniChatt :

I do have an I7-6700k, but my mother board broke, so I need to replace it anyways. So I figured id just buy a new CPU with it. Do you think I should just buy a new motherboard for the I7-6700k? I feel like that would be a waste though, because as soon as a new CPU comes out, I'm going to have to spend more money on it.

OMG man tell this info first. Don't buy new cpu, just buy a mobo for now it will do just fine. Even search for a used mobo. But don't buy any cheap mobo for that cpu just buy any decent one. You will be fine for next 2yrs at least.

AniChatt · Jan 15, 2018

alkatraz333.jh :

AniChatt :

I kinda need something sooner than april. What else do you suggest I get then if I need to get it now?

If what you do is mainly gaming then buy i5 8600k or i7 8700k.
If you do streaming, video editing, gaming and more importantly don't have enough budget for a coffee lake build then go for r5 1600 or r7 1800x.

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