Looking to upgrade CPU

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So I’m looking to upgrade my CPU in my computer. It’s outdated but I don’t want to change out the whole motherboard yet as I am 15 and don’t have that sort of money lying around to significantly upgrade anything and also have very little experience. I currently have an AMD FX 4300 and I’m fairly certain the socket is an AM3+. I’m not around my computer at the moment and can’t tell you what the motherboard is off the top of my head. Cooling and power shouldn’t be a problem for me. What’s one of the fastest CPUs that fit an AM3+ socket? Yes I’m aware that it’s sort of dated but I’m looking for a quick fix. I saw that the FX 8350 has a good chance of working with my computer. Should I look into that or is there a more viable option?
 

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yes, the FX8350 is the best cheapest Am3+ CPU you can get (30W more TDP than 4300, more cooling system is good)
OR (not a good choice) AMD FX 9590, the fastest amongst the AM3+ yet, the most power hungry beast among all beast (220W TDP, complete cooling system is required)
 

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In your opinion, would I be able to run the 9590? I have 5 fans in my computer total; one on the CPU, one on the PSU one in the back of the case, and two on the GPU. I have a 650 watt power supply and I have the GTX 1060 6GB dual fan. Would I still have enough power left over to use the 9590?
 

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what CPU cooler you use? 220W TDP Cooler? (if you don't know what TDP is, TDP is the maximum heat produced by CPU while at its full load, not the power consumption)

I don't think 650W is enough for heavy gaming for 9590, 800 or 850W is what you want for minimum PSU for 9590 (this is a freak power hungry) (or 1000W for safety and headroom)
with 650W, 8350 is what you best bet, or 8370 with ~50$ more
 

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The 9590 takes a crap ton of power, which equals heat.
A lot of lower end motherboards won't run it.
An 8350 can and will OC to close to what a 9590 runs at.

We will need to know the exact motherboard you have, along with other system specs.
Some of the cheap mobo's have an issue going to an 8350, most do not.

Doing this swap only makes sense IF you get the 8350 really cheap, and don't need to spend any extra or very much on extra cooling.

You WILL see an improvement, a friend of mine did this swap when I sent him the parts from my old build.
But the improvement won't be utterly amazing. Mostly noticeable in modern multithreaded games.

If you can do this swap for a total cost of under $100 USD, including a cpu cooler if you need a better one, it's worth considering.
If it costs much more than that, save your money. Add it to the "upgrade my pc" pile.
It's $300 ish USD to go to a Ryzen 3 with B350 mobo and ddr4 ram. ( assuming budget friendly ram)
New gen Ryzen coming in a few months. Which means current gen might get even cheaper.

I suggest those ideas because I do appreciate that at a young age, you can't just whip out the credit card and go nuts on newegg. So having a long hard think on your options and how to spend your cash is a thing.
 

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I have no idea what the TDP is or the cooler or anything. Would I have to run prime95 to find the TDP or another similar program to put the CPU at its maximum load or can I just look it up? Also how may I find out what CPU cooling system I have?
 

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All I remember about the motherboard is that it’s an older ASRock mobo. What else do you need to know besides what mobo I have? I am not currently able to check what my specs are but I may remember something. Btw, I have researched the 8350 and I can get it for under $100, but not by much. That’s without factoring in the proper cooling as I haven’t dealt with CPUs before and I’m not exactly sure what all I need and what all I need to do to replace one.
 

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At under $100 this can make sense. A Hyper 212 or other good budget cooler is more than enough for an 8350, even OC'd to some reasonable level. ( 4.4-4.6, 2400 northbridge.)
The reason the motherboard model is important is because really budget mobos do not have enough VRM (power to cpu socket), for the increased juice an 8350 takes over a 4300.
Also, older boards might need a bios flash to support an 8350.
While not common, it IS possible.
So knowing it will work is kind of important.

From your supplied info, I'd say psu and case cooling are not an issue.
I went from a X2 255, to a 975 BE, to an 8350, so I have some experience with this upgrade path.
Remember the $5 for thermal paste!

CPU-Z will tell you the model of mobo. And other info that's handy to know :)
 

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I’ll look into the mobo next week when I can see what mobo I have (assuming this thread won’t be completely dead by then) as for the BIOS, what even is BIOS, how do I access it, and what is a BIOS flash? And finally, how important is thermal paste and is it easy to apply if I’ve never done it before?
 
might I suggest you take your pc to qualified personnel to get your upgrade done with parts in hand.

1. look at your motherboard and tell us what is the NUMBER on it.
2. you could run a program called SPECCY and tell us what is reported (take a snapshot , upload to imguyr.com and report us the link to the image.
3. bios is what makes the motherboard boot and function before you can launch the operating system of choice on your system
4. usually F2 or DEL key are used to access the Bios, should you .. I have doubts...
5. Thermal past is a thin layer of heat transferring material that helps the heat dissipate from the cpu to the large heatsink, which is normally cooled by a fan drawing air through it. keeping your cpu at a valid temperature instead of burning up and dying.


PS: I would look at https://lifehacker.com/5826509/how-to-build-a-computer-from-scratch-lesson-1-hardware-basics
 

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Going to say Paladin's suggestion at the top of his post should probably be option A here.
Option B is to continue to use your PC as it is, continue to ask questions here, we don't mind answering.
Doing some Youtube research for videos on how to do what you want to will help your pc knowledge, even if you don't actually do this job yourself.
Google is your friend, and there are literally hundreds of Youtube videos on swapping parts out in your PC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q
Also a good video to watch.

We get notifications when we visit the site to let us know someone else posted in this thread.
So don't worry about it "dying"
 

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How much more would going to a professional cost me as opposed to doing it myself? Also, thank you for the clarification on bios and thermal paste. And I will stop by a few videos and guides on how to do it myself.
 

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I should go to a professional rather than attempting to change the CPU myself? And yes I’ll make sure to check out some videos and guides on how to change out parts to make sure I don’t screw anything up. So far I haven’t messed up anything. I’ve already change the power supply and GPU although GPU is extremely simple especially with Nvidia’s universal drivers.
 

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If I get the 8350 would I spend more money on a cooler than I would on the cpu itself if I decide to overclock?
 

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Ok so I’ve done some research and it turns out the 9590 is just a little bit better than the 8350 according to what I found on benchmarks from each. I believe the 8350 would be a better option based on its price and power consumption and whatnot. In the long run, should I make the switch to Intel processors due to their speed, or is it just opinion based?
 


Depends on what Intel processor. The FX series rival Intel lineup may not be a bad switch, but if you want the long run, coffee lake intel chips is the way to go.
 

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Changing platform makes this a $300-$500 job, not a $100 and change one.
Whether you do the swap yourself depends on your level of confidence to do it.
It's not hard, but the first time i did this on my own PC I was scared out of my mind I would ah heck it up!
Having a laptop/tablet handy to watch and replay the best instructional video you find is very handy.

A Hyper 212 or other $30 ish USD cooler is more than enough for the 8350.
A lot of new coolers have universal brackets included, and will fit BOTH your current mobo, and one you buy in the future. So that's another thing to see if you can use the same one now AND later.
Confirming that an 8350 is a drop in swap for you depends on knowing the exact model of mobo.
This is the most important question we need answered to help you decide.

Deciding on which option to go with, ( 8350 swap, or new platform, cpu/mobo/ram/fresh install of Windows)
is a budget decision.
At $100-$125 ish USD total job cost for the 8350 swap, it makes sense.
A platform upgrade, while a great idea for your system, is between 4 and 5 times as much money.
Then of course, you get to participate in the madness that is AMD vs Intel!
Yay for you!!

I'm going to suggest that research, video watching, and learning will be valuable no matter what you do.
So do that first. Take your time here. I/We want you to be comfortable with the idea of cpu replacement/system building before you plunk down your hard earned cash and then have problems afterwards.

This has the added benefit of.
1) Second gen Ryzen coming out.
2) Budget mobos for Intel's new cpu's coming out
3) Ram prices coming down? I hear rumours that ram MAY come down in price.

The above all has the possibility of making things cost less one way or another.
And gives you time to stash a few more dollars in to the "Upgrade my PC" piggybank, increasing your options.

*Note to other posters in this thread.
Can we agree not to start the Intel vs AMD madness just yet? The thread will get derailed and the OP will not get the answers he is actually looking for. If the OP decides he is in a position to spend a bunch of money, then we can get in to it.
 

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I have no problem switching out the CPU myself as long as I have a guide that explains why to do, although I can very easily see where you’re coming from saying that you used to be nervous about it as well. As for the universal coolers, I didn’t know these existed, and they seem like a nice little gadget that saves you a few bucks later on; I’ll look into those for sure. I am still not around my computer and it’ll be next week until I can check what mobo I have, sorry for the delay. I’ve heard that Intel has superior processors, and some of the benchmarks I’ve looked at reflect that. When possible, I feel that I’ll be heading in the Intel direction. About the RAM prices, I hope this is happening because I have 8 gigs of ram and i plan on upgrading to at least 16 gigs, while the RAM is looking at doesn’t cost all that much, (70 bucks) it’s ddr3 and if I do go for the mobo upgrade I’ll be left with 16 gigs of ddr3 that I can’t use. By budget mobos for Intel processors, do you mean cheaper mobos that still support new Intel processors, or the ones that exist will become cheaper? Also, what’s the socket that the new Intel processors use such as the i5 and i7? Unless they use different sockets. Like which socket is on its way into the game, rather than an older socket?
 

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Coffee lake is the newest generation correct?
 


For the Intel Lineup, affirmative.
 

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How much would a lower end coffee lake mobo and processor cost?