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Justine Keith

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Hi guys, im planning to upgrade my CPU to Kaby Lake will it work on my Asrock H110M-HDV board? I just checked their website and their CPU Support it said that i need 7.10 BIOS Version in order to run 7th Gen CPU’s is it sure that G4560 will 100% work on my board after updating my BIOS to 7.10?
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You are right. THe G4560 does have hyperthreading. I never noticed that the Pentiums added that. The G4400 definitely doesn't have it though.

Also, the G4560 only has a standard cache package, while the i3 uses the same type of SmartCache used on the higher end processors. It does make some amount of difference in performance but I have no numbers on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Cache

Plus it has a 400mhz faster clock speed, the i3 I mean. Still, since that Pentium does have hyperthreading, it should do a better job than your current Pentium, but I REALLY doubt that spending 75 bucks for two hyperthreads only and a 200mhz clock boost is worth it. At least with the i3 you'll be getting SmartCache, a 600mhz clock speed...
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If it says a 7th gen Intel processor is supported on the board with a specific BIOS, then it will support it (your G4560 is a 7th gen CPU). The problem is that if it doesn't have the proper BIOS, and you don't have a 6th gen processor to use to upgrade the BIOS, your only choice is to RMA the board, or take it to a sympathetic shop that has a 6th gen CPU to do the update for you.

I keep a G3900 Celeron handy for just this instance: there were a huge number of motherboards sold that "support 7th gen CPUs" but weren't initially given the proper BIOS.
 
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If you have a CPU, RIGHT NOW, that works in that motherboard, then yes, you can upgrade the bios to the latest, or whichever version is newer than when the support for the 7th gen cpus was added to the microcode, and afterwards run any of the 7th gen Kaby Lake CPUs that are supported.

You must have a 6th gen CPU to do that though. If you do not, then your choices are as mazboy explained, limited to taking it to a shop that has a six gen CPU and can do it for you (Probably not the cheapest option ever), finding somebody ELSE with one, that will let you use it to flash your bios, or sending it in for factory flashing, which will probably also cost you at the minimum for shipping.

Bottom line is, if you have a CPU that runs in that motherboard NOW, it's probably not the best idea AND there is not going to be an awful lot of difference, if any, in performance between a higher tiered 6th gen CPU and an equivalent 7th gen model. If you have a 6700k there is no sense upgrading to a 7700k. If you have a 6600k there is no sense upgrading to a 7600k. If you have a Skylake Pentium it makes just as much sense, in most cases depending on cost and availability, to update to a Skylake i3, i5 or i7 than it does to go through the hassle of upgrading to a Kaby Lake model and all the bios issues with flashing if you don't have a suitable CPU already.
 
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Justine Keith

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Thanks for responding! I forgot to tell that im currently running on G4400 and i already updated my BIOS Version from 1.50 to 7.10, my problem on Kaby Lake is done i guess? But as sir darkbreeze said, if i’ll upgrade to G4560 the difference is not that noticable? My g4400 went full load just playing Dota2.
 
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Both of those CPUs are 7th Gen. There will be a tiny fit of difference, but you will barely notice it. While it will cost you more money, a minimum i3-7xxx is a better value, and you will see the difference (although, again, it's not going to be huge...)
 
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Yes, you will not see any major performance increase going from a Skylake Pentium to a Kaby Lake Pentium. They are basically the exact same thing, with only a 200mhz clock difference between those two models and no increase in IPC that is measurable, at all.

Whatever issues with a lack of performance you have now, will barely be better afterwards, if it is ANY better at all. If you want to increase the performance enough to make the purchase worthwhile, you need to move up to at least an i3 that has hyperthreading, or preferably an i5 with four physical cores.

What is the model number of your graphics card?
 
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NO, they are not. The G4400 is Skylake. The G4560 is Kaby Lake.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1K656X8911&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
 
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I agree. It is POINTLESS to upgrade to another Pentium. Totally a waste of money. You will get practically nothing in return for your money. Truthfully, you might want to just do this. This is the least expensive option that will net you any performance at all.

It has the same two cores as your current CPU, PLUS two hyperthreads and a higher end integrated graphics package. Also a higher base clock speed by 600mhz.

For only about 25 bucks more than the CPU you are currently thinking about upgrading to.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-7100 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor ($106.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $106.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-23 00:52 EST-0500


A Skylake or Kaby Lake i5 would be a far better option, but also about another 70 dollars more than what that i3 is.
 
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Im using Galax 1050Ti Single Fan, but G4560 also has Hyperthreading like i3 right? they also both have 2 Cores, the i3 just have a slight higher clock speed. I also check a benchmark of i3 vs. G4560 they almost have same performance but yea of course i3 is a bit better but with their price range or their price performance ratio g4560 is better choice. What do you think guys?
 
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No, the G series Pentiums are dual core only. No hyperthreading. No turbo clock boost.

The i3's don't have turbo either. If you want four cores and turbo clock boost you have to move up to an i5.

That i3 is probably about 25-35% faster in gaming than your dual core Pentium, at a guess, without checking for sure. Hard to prove definitely since there are no REAL reviews for gaming performance on the Pentiums, but if the game or application takes advantage of more than two cores, whether additional physical cores or hyperthreads, you'll see a nice bump in CPU performance.


With that 1050TI the i3-7100 should do QUITE nicely. Not enormously far behind some of the same or earlier gen i5's.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/core-i3-7100-cpu-by-intel-review/7/

 
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I buy used G4560s all the time to build Linux boxes, from people upgrading to i3s and i5s. The G4560 is a great CPU for low intensity graphics and low-demand OSs. I can honestly say it's better than a Celeron...

On paper, the i3 specs look close to the G4560. In real life...? I'd try to find a way to buy an i5-7xxxx. If that isn't going to happen, I think you'd be happier with the i3-7xxx
 
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You are right. THe G4560 does have hyperthreading. I never noticed that the Pentiums added that. The G4400 definitely doesn't have it though.

Also, the G4560 only has a standard cache package, while the i3 uses the same type of SmartCache used on the higher end processors. It does make some amount of difference in performance but I have no numbers on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Cache

Plus it has a 400mhz faster clock speed, the i3 I mean. Still, since that Pentium does have hyperthreading, it should do a better job than your current Pentium, but I REALLY doubt that spending 75 bucks for two hyperthreads only and a 200mhz clock boost is worth it. At least with the i3 you'll be getting SmartCache, a 600mhz clock speed boost, higher end graphics (IF you ever need to use the iGPU at all), support for Optane storage and memory which the Pentium does not have, support for AVX instruction sets which the Pentium does not have AND which you may want if you do any encoding of video at all or run any applications that use AVX instructions.

The Pentium does use 10w less though, so it runs a little bit cooler, not that heat is even a problem on either of these anyhow though.

Honestly, either of them will be an improvement since that does have hyperthreading, but if you spend 75 bucks for the Pentium it's probably worth it to spend 25 more for the bigger jump in clock speed and the smartcache which speeds up the IPC of the CPU somewhat. Up to you though and clearly I understand that sometimes finances dictate what we can do or not.

Might really just be worth it, by a lot, to save enough up to simply get a decent i5 and be done with it.
 
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Don't ever show me a Youtube comparison of anything. 90% of them are fake and the other 10% are questionable. LOL.

Unless it's a tutorial, a movie, a music video or live show or some funny crap about animals or stupid people, there isn't much on Youtube that I give much weight to. Especially not gaming benchmarks.
 
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