Burning smell from PC originating around DVD drive and power button/front usb's.

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Started today when I turned on my PC. DVD drive haven't been used in years, and I unplugged completely an hour ago. The smell got stronger again when I turned the PC on though, so the DVD drive doesn't seem to be the problem. There's a lot of wires that goes to the front where the button and front usb's are, and it's difficult to see anything there really.

Here's a couple of photos of it: https://imgur.com/a/pgSqD

Not sure how those'll help, but that's where the smell comes from. As you can see it's difficult to get a proper look where the wires go. Haven't taken out a DVD drive before, but should I maybe do that? Not sure what could possibly make that smell in that area. My first thought was the PSU, but the smell comes from the opposite side, so..

Anyway, thanks for any help!
 
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Wow, you have an old timer from Corsair in use. :D I too have Corsair Obsidian case where my Haswell build sits in but mine is 750D Airflow Edition (full-tower ATX).

Since now i have access to the case specs, that last button in row on your front I/O (round one) is the reset button. Also, your case does have hot-swap bay at the top of the case as i suspected. Hot-swap bay is mainly used for external drives to back up data. And we also know now what that magical "black box" is in your front I/O. It's the fan controller unit.
650D fan controller spare part: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/obsidian-series-650d-fan-controller-kit

When looking your images, i thought that the fan controller switch is actually a clip that holds the foldable...

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Thanks for the response.

I took out the ODD, and I tried taking out the front panel for the cables, but couldn't find any way to do it. There are no usb cables or anything connected to the front, so there's no power drawn there. Only the light on the power button is drawing power. The only other place I can see that could potentially be the culprit of the smell is the small box on the top'ish left in the photo below. I have no idea what that box does.

https://imgur.com/1rqEZVE
 

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Well, your front I/O has from left to right: power button + it's LED, 2x USB ports, audio and mic port, 2x USB ports, 1x unknown port (looks like HDMI port) and 1x button (probably reset button). How many of those you have connected, that i don't know.

As far as power goes, there is a current inside the audio and mic ports too. I have several such speakers and mics that draw all their needed power from the audio/mic ports.

When was the last time you cleaned your case internals from dust? Since i see quite a bit of dust on your pics. As far as the smell goes, one possibility is that it's the dust that burns inside your PC and the smell is carried upwards with hot air (since hot air rises) and if you have positive pressure inside your case, the hot air along with the smell is pushed out from any of the small openings at the top of your case, including front I/O area.

Though, the front I/O cables look intact without any burn marks and i can't tell from where the smell could originate (besides burning dust). If the dust cleaning doesn't help then to be safe, i suggest you should replace the PC case. New PC cases start from $25,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#sort=price&p=0&u=1&f=2
 

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Thanks again for the respose!

The smell seems to go and come back. The last few weeks, it's started smelling, and then it goes away after a bit of "fiddling" with the wires. I don't have anything plugged into the front panel (USB or otherwise), so I don't think the problem comes from there. It had been a while since I cleaned the PC when the problem started, but it doesn't seem to help now. Do you know what the black box in the top left corner is? It's the only thing I can think of that's making the smell, though I could be wrong of course. Buying a new case, like you said, might be the solution if I'm unable to fix the problem.
 

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I don't know what that "black box" can be but according to the images, it's just behind that last button in the row that i first thought to be a reset button. Without knowing your case make and model, i can't say what that could be. It could be a fan controller for all i know.

Do your case also has hot-swap bay? Since i see wires going there and there's also an opening on top of your case. That smell can originate from there as well since hot-swap bays are connected to the PSU for their normal operation.

Fun fact: My Skylake build (full specs with pics in my sig) has the very same ODD as you have. :D At least the front exterior part is identical by looks.
 

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Haven't used my ODD in years. Could probably count on one hand how many times I've used it since I got it in 2011 :p

Is hot-swap bay where you put your extra hard drive? I do have one of those, but I haven't had a drive connected to it in a few years.

My case is called Obsidian 650d. You might be right about it controlling the fans, the wires goes down to the cluster of different "connectors" at the bottom. I assume some of these are for fan power and fan control.

Wasn't planning on upgrading my pc yet, but think I'll start looking at the options at least. I tried searching for "fan controller pc", and similar things, to see if I could swap this one out (if that's even what it does). Do you know if these things might be what I'm looking for?

https://www.amazon.com/slp/fan-controller-pc/yazcahb6xhr47f2

How's fan noise in your PC by the way? Would probably be my top priority if I were to buy a new case (and probably with it a new CPU, motherboard and some RAM).
 

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Wow, you have an old timer from Corsair in use. :D I too have Corsair Obsidian case where my Haswell build sits in but mine is 750D Airflow Edition (full-tower ATX).

Since now i have access to the case specs, that last button in row on your front I/O (round one) is the reset button. Also, your case does have hot-swap bay at the top of the case as i suspected. Hot-swap bay is mainly used for external drives to back up data. And we also know now what that magical "black box" is in your front I/O. It's the fan controller unit.
650D fan controller spare part: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/obsidian-series-650d-fan-controller-kit

When looking your images, i thought that the fan controller switch is actually a clip that holds the foldable front I/O cover in place since my 760T also has two of such clips to hold the front grille in place.

Did read from the net that many people have issues with the 650D built-in fan controller. Since fan controller is connected to the PSU and there's a small PCB inside that "black box", it very well may be the source of your burning smell. Unplugging fan controller from PSU would left it inert but all the case fans that are connected to it won't work either.

As far as new PC case goes, you can either go for the one that also has built-in fan controller (e.g Corsair 760T v2 or 780T) or which doesn't have one while having more-or-less the same looks as your current case (Corsair 450D and 750D). Even when the case does come with built-in fan controller, you don't have to use it and left it unplugged, like i did with my Skylake build's 760T v2.
Since i don't know your taste about PC cases, i can't suggest you one but Corsair and Phanteks PC cases have solid build quality. NZXT cases are also popular nowadays.
Corsair lineup: http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/pc-computer-cases
Phanteks Enthoo lineup: http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Series.html
Phanteks Eclipse lineup: http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-Series.html
NZXT lineup: https://www.nzxt.com/categories/cases

Yes, your amazon link shows different kinds of fan controllers, both internal (e.g Silverstone) and external (e.g NZXT Sentry 3). I prefer using external fan controllers that sit in the 5.25" bay since with them, i have more control over my fans and they also provide some eyecandy. And thanks to this, all my 3 PCs: Skylake, Haswell and AMD have external 5.25" bay fan controllers (full specs with pics in my sig).

Internal fan controllers are handy if your case doesn't have external 5.25" bay or if you don't want to see the fan controller. Though, most internal fan controllers are more like fan splitters than controllers since you can't control individual fan and they all run in sync (e.g Silverstone). Only those internal fan controllers that have dedicated software to control them have control over each fan separately (e.g NZXT GRID+ V3 and Corsair Commander Pro).

While all external fan controllers have dedicated channels for each fan and you can manually control the speed of each fan. Many external fan controllers also come with temperature sensors that you can spread all over your case to see the internal temps of different components. Also, some external fan controllers have LED touchscreen if you like it more than knobs/switches (e.g NZXT Sentry 3 that i have in my Haswell build). And some external fan controllers even have support for LED strips (e.g Thermaltake Commander F6 RGB that i have in my Skylake build). Of course, you need to read the external fan controller specs (and review) before getting one since some may come with different view angle. E.g Aerocool X-Vision that i have in my AMD build is designed for PCs that sit below your eye level, making it easier to read their info from above, rather than straight on.

When i was looking for a fan controller for my Skylake build, i made a topic where i listed many fan controllers with links to the specs. You can use my topic as a source for the specs of different fan controllers. It's better than searching fan controllers from amazon, :D
link to my topic: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3380313/led-fan-controller-external-bay.html

So, you checked out my Skylake build and saw that i have 7 case fans in use (mostly 140mm) and thought that my PC should be noisy due to having so many case fans, right? :) Wrong.

The trick is that the more fans you have inside the case, the less each fan has to work to maintain the airflow and the less noise fans produce. Also, 140mm fan movers more air than 120mm fan at the same RPM. And that is also a main reason why i have 7 case fans in my Skylake and Haswell builds. Since i have that many case fans, i can keep all of my case fans spinning between 800 - 1100 RPM and thanks to this, my PCs are very quiet while still having proper airflow inside my full-tower ATX cases.
Of course, i'm using high airflow and high static pressure fans inside my PCs since even when they spin at about 50% of their max speed, they still provide good airflow.

If i sit still and do nothing then i can barely hear my fans working but the sound they produce is low and calming. If i'm working on something or listening some music, i can't hear my case fans at all. Closest sound example to my fans is this river flowing sound but my fans are much quieter than that sound in the video,
youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRFzN_x_pww
 
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Again, thanks a lot for the reply!

I never knew external fan controllers was a thing. The internal one (I assume) from Corsair aren't being sold in my country. If I were to buy, say, this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-5-4-Inch-Controller-Cooling-AC-SEN-3-B1/dp/B00KJGYLNM/ref=br_lf_m_yazcahb6xhr47f2_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&s=pc

Would I still have to use the internal one in my PC, or I would I disconnect that one?

I currently only have 4 fans in use in my PC, the largest one being 200mm I think on the top of the case. Tried with a couple of smaller fans for a while, but the larger one made a lot less noise, so I switched back. Right now it's my PSU that's making most of the noise. Cleaning the filter only helps a little bit, but it's probably not surprising considering I bought the computer, and most of its current components, for Skyrim and Dota 2 alpha. My i5-2500k have held on pretty strong, but I do notice its age, especially when playing games like Cities: Skyline, or using programs like Photoshop and Blender.

An i7.8700k would be great, but I think I'm gonna have to settle for the i5-8600k if I end up buying right now, especially since I need to buy a new motherboard, RAM and PSU (my current one have been giving me trouble for years), and a case (so that I can have a fresh start). I've been modifying my case so much these last 7. For example, the glass panel on the side. I took switched it out with some kind of metal grill that you can use in some cars so that I had an exit point of my CPU water cooling fan... The alternative was throwing out my 200mm fan, so I decided to butcher my case instead.

An AMD CPU is obviously an alternative, but I haven't used one before, so I might just stay with what I (somewhat) know. The most difficult decision will probably be deciding which case, how many fans, and where to put them, in order to get proper air flow, with the least possible noise. I'll be moving to a new place in a few months. Been considering getting some acoustic wall panels in the new place to have near the PC, simply just to go all out with the noise thing.
 

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NZXT Sentry 3 is standalone fan controller and there's no need to use your built-in fan controller anymore. You can completely disconnect all wires coming and going from it.

200mm fans, at most, spin about 800 RPM or so and they are quieter than 120mm and 140mm fans (max RPM usually 1500-2000). Though, for cooling aspect, 2x 120mm fans do move more air than 1x 200mm fan.

What make and model (or part number) PSU do you have?
I had a low quality Codegen PSU who's fan also started screeching. Got tired of it and i threw it out and bought Seasonic S12II-520 to replace it. I still have my S12II-520 in service (about 3 years now) and it's still going strong while powering my AMD build.

While i5-2500K was solid CPU at it's time, it does show it's age, especially in CPU bound tasks. Cities: Skylines is very CPU heavy game and your CPU can struggle with it quite a bit.

As far as Ryzen vs Intel 8th gen goes, Ryzen CPUs are better in multi-core performance (e.g video rendering) while Intel 8th gen are better in single-core performance (e.g web browsing) and quad-core performance (e.g gaming),
Ryzen 5 1600X vs i5-8600K: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8600K/3920vs3941

If you mostly do productivity work, then go with Ryzen CPU. But if you mostly game then go with Intel 8th gen CPU.

Oh, listening loud PC all the time can give you headaches and it will reduce your hearing. So, i don't suggest getting a similar or same as Noctua industrial fan (which does have superb cooling performance) that you can run 24/7 at max RPM. 41.3 dB(A) is way too loud to listen all day long.
 

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My PSU is a Corsair TX 650W PSU. Been using it since 2011 as well. I'm really happy with the 2500k. It has held up way better than I expected when I bought it 7 years ago, but like you said, it's showing its age.

I game quite a bit on my PC (in periods when I have time). In terms of productivity I use my PC for drawing (mainly using Clip Studio Paint, Photoshop and Illustrator). Right now I have new items ready in the basket, but I'm kind of just waiting for as long as possible before pulling the trigger. Won't have much time to spend on the computer before summer anyway.
 

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There are 3 different versions of Corsair TX 650 PSU and here you need to look the part number on the PSU's label:
1. CMPSU-650TX-C
2. CMPSU-650TX
3. CMPSU-650TXV2

1st one is made by Channel Well Technology and since CWT being 2nd grade PSU OEM, i'd say the PSU has mediocre build quality.
2nd and 3rd ones are made by Seasonic and Seasonic is 1st grade PSU OEM. Every Seasonic unit is solid as a rock and so far, Seasonic has never produced anything lower from good quality units over the past 40 years they have been in business.

Corsair TX 650 had 5 years of warranty and if you're running Seasonic unit, then you can get up to 10 years of usage out of it (even maybe more). Though, i'm not so sure about the CWT made unit.

For your PC usage, Intel 8th gen CPU would be better since the drawing you do doesn't use multi-core performance in which Ryzen CPUs are best.
 

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This is my current PSU: https://www.komplett.no/product/623444?noredirect=true#productinfo

My current PSU has been acting up a bit when starting the computer for a couple of years. Switched to (two) new larger PSU's, but my second monitor started flickering, so I sent them back and just put the old one back in. Corsair TX750M cost double of what Corsair TX550M does. According to Cooler Master's calculator (http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/) I need 438W during load. Would you still consider it a risky purchase going for the 550W? The TX550M and TX750M are 1cm narrower as well. Not sure if that's gonna be a problem. I might also need the ports of the TX750M.

Also do you have any experience with Cooler Master PSU's? They're cheaper, but I don't remember using any of their products before.

When it comes to fan controllers. The official internal fan controller from Obsidian aren't available in my country. These are the only ones I could find available (unless I want to ship from elsewhere in Europe): https://prisguiden.no/kategorier/viftestyring

They don't look all the same though, but if I understood things corretly, I can buy one of those and then stop using the internal one in my PC, right? Then I wouldn't have to buy a new case. I'd prefer an internal one as I already have too many wires on my desk (USB hub, keyboard, mouse, microphone, wacom tablet, extra numpad for shortcuts, headphone amp, wireless charger), but those all looks to be external ones. I'm kinda nervous about buying and installing one since it's something I haven't done before, but I'll probably figure it out. I've had some trouble with the CPU liquid cooling fan software, so I'd rather have them just run on their own without too many variables that can mess them up.
 

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Giving a store link to your PSU doesn't help since PSU's part number isn't listed there. As i said above, you need to read the part number off from the label on the PSU if you're interested which one you exactly have.

Power consumption
As far as PC's power consumption goes, online power calculators act more like a guideline than actual rule. For example, here's what is said about my Skylake build's power consumption,
link: https://outervision.com/b/ZYetr5

Since i also have watt-meter, i have measured the exact power consumption of my PC at various loads. Most what my PC consumed during Unigine Superposition bench with all case fans at 100% was 203.1W, which is less than half as suggested by the online power calculator. Go figure.

What's your full system specs? So i can calculate your PC's max power draw.

PSUs
Cooler Master PSUs can be iffy. While there are good units from Cooler Master (VS series), there are also bad units from them (Elite II series). For best overview, take the PSU Tier List as a baseline,
link: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Aim for Tier Two (good quality), preferably Tier One (great quality) if you can afford it.

Fan controllers
Yes, if you go with fan controller then you don't need to use the built-in fan controller anymore that came with your case.

NZXT Grid+ V3 and Grid+ V2 are the internal fan controllers and one of the few internal fan controllers out there that comes with dedicated software to control plugged-in fans. Since it's quite big, i don't think if you can fit it behind MoBo tray. Other place where to put it is on top of your HDD cage.

Though, Bitfenix Recon is a good fan controller that i considered heavily to buy for one of my PCs. I mostly liked the 100 RPM per step control method, starting from 0 RPM since not many external fan controllers can do lower than 40% fan speeds without turning voltage to 0V and turning the fan off.
Deal breaker was that there wasn't a black colored at the store but only the white one. Bitfenix Recon also has software for wireless control via smart phone app which is the only fan controller, that i know of, having that feature.
video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2xoAPPQcs

Oh, external fan controller sits inside your 5.25" bay and not next to your PC on your desk. What makes fan controller as external one is that the control knobs are outside of the PC.
Here's a combined pic of all my 3 builds to show the external fan controllers:
Left image - Skylake build - fan controller is the red LED screen with 6x knobs (Thermaltake Commander F6 RGB)
Middle image - Haswell build - fan controller is the blue LED screen (NZXT Sentry 3)
Right image - AMD build - fan controller is the display with big knob (Aerocool X-Vision)
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