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delaro

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That's a pretty early review and many optimizations behind try this one it's after all the patches and Aegis code fixes for RAM support.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1499-intel-core-i3-8100-i3-8350K/page3.html

With this you will notice two things.

1. i3 7100 is bottom of the pack.. still gives you great fps but bottom
2. 8th gen Intel and Ryzen CPU's gain a advantage with faster ram, it's much more evident in Ryzen but you still see it in both.

Here is another issue

i3 7100 and 7350K "$150" are Dual cores on a dead socket and API's are quickly adopting the use of more cores, so buying one is a guarantee you will be upgrading sooner than you want. I3 8100 and I3 8350K "Overclockable to 5ghz" are both quad cores with a high IPC and a much better selection of CPU options. Ryzen offers a good value maybe not the best FPS but still a good value, the refresh chips in April should close the gap a little more with Intel 8th gen CPU's. Intel is also scheduled to release the boards for the 8th gen chips soon so that will close the price gap for budget builds.
 
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Nah, not really. That review uses a GTX 1080, while the one you linked uses an RX Vega 64 LC with DX12 games.

All of the fixes (except in broken titles) and AGESA did not increase performance. Only higher memory compatibility. Also, he only tests a few games.
 
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There are lots of other current reviews and youtube demonstrations that will tell you the same thing, API's have patched for better Ryzen support as well as AMD releasing better optimization. I built around Ryzen on release by preorder and I have seen at least a 12% FPS increase in everything we play so yes that is pretty close to what you see.

Also Higher memory compatibility translates directly to higher FPS, that you can look up yourself. Being stuck at 2666mhz for 3 months then being able to overclocking to 3800mhz is a nice difference.
 
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Nope, the API utilizes more cores, and Vega has actual DX12 hardware. That's why the overclocked 4C/4T AMD chip outperforms the 2C/4T Intel chip. A 6C/12T Intel vs AMD processor battle at the same clocks would have the former destroying the latter.

Of course, but the updates themselves did nothing to the base performance.
 
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You obviously have no idea what API's can do? I guess your not old enough to remember the cluster Hyperthreading made when it first launch, it didn't just "Work" it had to be adapted to.

You have no idea how API's work or what instructions sets are do you?

Intel and AMD have similar instructions but they are not the same and API's have to adapt to that, when they do you see a nice FPS increase. Chipmakers work with the developers and patches can be from either side but it takes a combined effort to get it to work.
 
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Born in '99. :p

Well, Intel's architecture is much more powerful anyway.
 
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The 8700K absolutely destroys the 1950X in gaming despite being much cheaper.

:shrug:
 
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i9's and Thread rippers are not promoted for Gaming and nobody in there right mind would buy them if all they do is game. The comparision should be between a 8700K and Ryzen 1800x since they are both about the same price. This is for a 1700X which is a little slower.

Here is a example
core_i7_8700k_vs_ryzen_7_1700x_cinebench_r15_scaling-100737728-orig.jpg


Time to look in the future a bit, yes Intel 8th gen chips have a much higher IPC as you would expect out of a 8th gen series, this is AMD's first gen series and it's a worse case scenario. What happens when AMD figures out how to open up the overclocks and match the speeds across all cores? What happens when both gaming developers and non gaming developers make full use of all cores? You see the same results under DX 12 and API's that handle the full potential of a multicore. Intel/Nvidia are struggling more with DX12/Vulcan adaption which is where titles are heading.
 
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