Which cooler is better?

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So im kinda going for a h100i v2, or the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer 240. I heard the Arctic is actually better even though its cheaper

Heres some more that are on my mind, which one is the best out of the h100i v2, Arctic 240, Lepa AquaChanger, or Deepcool Captain 240EX,
 
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I run 4x fans in my Define R5, which supposedly has crappy intake restrictions because of the front door. 2x front intake (currently my 280mm AIO) and 2x exhaust at top. No rear fan. Temps don't go over 55°C no matter what I do unless I stress test. My other case has the single 140mm intake and 2x 120mm exhaust, one of which is the 120mm AIO.

Don't bother cutting up your case, you don't need to. A 240mm intake and a 120/80mm exhaust is plenty, it's actually slightly positive if anything, which is a good thing. You are fine for airflow.
What is your case, and why do you think you need liquid cooling?
What will you be cooling?
Are you going for maximum overclocks?
Is noise an issue with you?

My canned rant on liquid cooling:
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You buy a liquid cooler to be able to extract an extra multiplier or two out of your OC.
How much do you really need?
I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler like a Noctua or phanteks can do the job just as well.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
google "H100 leak"
I would support an AIO cooler only in a space restricted case.
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Your pc will be quieter, more reliable, and will be cooled equally well with a decent air cooler.

 

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Heres the problem, I cant get an air cooler, my case will not fit any air cooler unless it is a slim one, I have a 7600k that I do a good bit of editing on, rendering, and other stuff that makes it very hot, my cooler I had couldn't give me good enough temps, I could barely OC to 4.0. I am very restricted in space, for one my graphics card is a foot long, and it blocks some space, I have an 80mm fan in the back usually where a 120 would go, on the top a 120 can go, but is restricted from parts on the motherboard sticking up so I couldn't put it up there, the only place I was able to fit my older cooler was actually in the front because the front is the only place with just enough space for a 120mm AIO, and it has another slot for another fan (or to fit a 240mm) My case is stupidly small, it was a 100 dollar case I got for 50 dollars that came with two corsair fans, I was in a rush to build it and it was the only case my buddy had (PC repair shop is where I built it)

So basically, I don't have room for an air cooler sadly, the case has not even half an inch of space left width wise when I put in the 120mm on the front. I might take the whole thing apart, sell it, and get a better one. We actually tried to put an air cooler on but none of the ones he had fit, again I would have had to get a slim air cooler, where the whole thing is like 3 inches tall
 
A restricted case is one of the few good applications of a aio cooler.
What is the make/model of your case?
What is your graphics card?

A 7600K overclocked does need a decent cooler.
But for the $100 or so you will pay for a 240mm aio, you can come close to a decent case and a cooler
 

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On the flip side, I have a preference for AIO's, I think that aircoolers, especially in the largest variety are nothing more than huge, blocky chunks of crud taking up far to much of the view in the center of my window.
Of course geo and I go through this every time I see that rant, since it's totally corsair biased (in all fairness corsair has some very loud fans, but then again if you push a hyper212 hard it sounds like a rice-burner) which while maybe warranted, doesn't cover All the AIO's. There's plenty of other brands that run almost dead silent under load, it's all in the fans. Corsair fans on a Noctua NH-D15 heatsink would sound absolutely miserable same as Noctua fans on a radiator, purr.

Air coolers have just as many drawbacks as AIO's do, they are just different in application.

When it comes to warranty on AIO's, Corsair is as good as it gets. I've personally seen them replace an entire pc that was damaged by a h100 that blew a hose (the h100 is very old design and used harder, almost plastic hoses, no longer in production (geo, fix your rant ;p)).

As far as better? None of them is really better. Temps are done on test benchs, so will only show those results. Your pc will have different characteristics, so will have different results, and while the Arctic might be ahead by a few °C on the bench, can be a few °C behind in your pc, simply due to fan mechanics and airflow characteristics. Equitable, would be a better assumption.

But geo is right in one respect, unless you have a serious desire or need for an AIO, a good aircooler is both cheaper (usually) and equitable in performance in the same wattage range.
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($78.38 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.94 @ Amazon)
Total: $133.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-01 00:38 EST-0500

A h100i v2 will run @$110, the others I'd not even bother with. So that's $20 difference to totally solve all airflow, cooling, fan issues and its a really well built case.
 
@Karadjgne:
I wrote the rant some time ago, and I agree it needs some updating.
I have no animus towards Corsair.
How would you suggest I amend the rant?

One added thing that bothers me about AIO coolers is how to mount them and the impact on case cooling.
It is a dilemma without a really good answer.
I suspect the best is to depend on a really good front air intake setup which filters all intake air to keep the case clean via positive pressure.
The negative is that an aio radiator mounted on the top of the case will need to draw in cooling air from the heated inside of the case.

As to aesthetics, that is a personal preference. Not much for me since I do not have a window.
 

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My GPU is a r9 280x Black Double Dissipation Edition (I had to actually take out some HD bays to fit it)

My case is the Lian Li A04. And where I am, to sell it would be difficult whereas my town is I guess, technologically impaired (unless you count phones) not too many people interested in computers it seems. I might call some place tomorrow and see if they might buy it. Luckily I have some good dust filters to keep it clean because it will be a push pull system pulling air from outside, I will probably do something about the flow, like maybe maxing out or keeping the top and back fan at like 80 to not cause too much positive pressure. Might even cut out a nice place for a fan on the actual side of the case to draw air out.
 

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I've run my kraken x62 both ways, as exhaust top mount and as intake front mount. As exhaust, I see my i7-3770K @4.6GHz runs p95 26.6 small fft at 68°C, gaming 55°C. As intake I see 67°C cpu and 55°C gaming. Case is fractal design define R5 (supposedly a choke on airflow, hah) and I run just 4 fans. 2x intake and 2x top exhaust, no rear. Honestly, orientation really doesn't make much of a difference at all, unless you are worried about mediocre or crappy airflow. Gtx970 OC 124% only changes 2°C at loads. Considering how much cpus/gpus bounce during any game, and it's an AIO, so liquid temps are more important than actual cpu temps, all in all there's no real difference.

The H100 is not really used anymore. It's so old that you barely ever find one on ebay anymore. The pump has been redesigned, replaced, the plastic hoses replaced with low-loss rubber (flex is not as much a concern now on fittings), so leaks went from rare to almost non-existent. With today's designs and quality control from places like fractal and nzxt etc leaks are about as rare as mobo warping under a dual tower.

There's nothing really bad about Corsair AIO's other than the fans. That's where 98% of any AIO's noise comes from, those high rpm, analog monsters. If Corsair would slap on some better pwm and run the fans at @600-900rpm as I do, they'd be next to silent. As is, 1800-2300rpm is a crying shame.

Dunno how you'd fix the rant exactly other than a re-write, today's AIO's are quite different than the old H100, and similar designs.

But then again, there's only a few cpus, under extreme conditions, that honestly benefit from a 280mm AIO vrs a good aircooler.
 

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If you are into liquid cooling that much, you could build and customise it yourself. Phobya Pure Performance Kits are available on a fair price (eventually they are cheaper in Europe than oversees) , have powerful pumps, thick copper radiators and good reviews.
 
Love those Lian li cases.
I think the A04 is one of the better old ones.
I would hate to discard it.
I really think you can get it to work, and well.
What is your current cooler?
The 7600K does not come with a stock cooler.

First of all, two front 120mm intakes should be sufficient.
You can increase the intake capability by using higher rpm fans if you really need to(at the cost of more noise)
Your R9-280x is a very hot graphics card and needs all the cooling air it can get.
If you use the front intakes for a cpu cooler radiator, the motherboard and graphics card is going to have to work with heat from the cpu.
With two front 120mm intakes, the air will exit SOMEWHERE, taking your cpu and gpu heat with it.
A single 80mm exit fan is good to direct the airflow to the rear and top openings.
Leave off the extra I/o expansion covers too, it can only help.

Your case is 177mm wide. Measure the height available for a cpu cooler.
Normally, 160mm buys you a top performing air cooler.
But, your space may be less.
One of the best with a 120mm fan is the cryorig H7.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13C-000U-00005
You may want to orient it so that the heat is directed up towards the top 120mm opening instead of the traditional rear orientation.
You may not get the top possible cooling, but it should be better.
You may well run into your safe vcore oc limit before you run into heat limits.
FWIW:
As of 6/19/17
What percent of samples can get an overclock
at a vcore around 1.4v.
I5-7600K
4.9 72%
5.0 52%
5.1 27%
5.2 16%
5.3 samples exist, unknown % of occurrence


If the cryorig H7 is unavailable, or you do not have 145mm available, here is the noctua TDP guidelines.
Noctua is top quality and uses quiet fans.
https://noctua.at/en/tdp-guide
They offer detailed dimensions so you can check compatibility.

If you still want to pursue liquid cooling, look for a 120mm radiator unit.
You should be able to mount it in the top 120mm opening, drawing cooling air from inside the case.
If needed, some, or all of the radiator/fan can be mounted outside the case.
I would use a fan with a full 25mm depth instead of a weaker half height fan.
 
@karadjgne:

How is this for an updated rant?
My canned rant on liquid cooling:
------------------------start of rant-------------------
You buy a liquid cooler to be able to extract an extra multiplier or two out of your OC.
How much do you really need?
I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler like a Noctua or phanteks can do the job just as well.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
Past that, A AIO radiator complicates creating a positive pressure filtered cooling setup which can keep your parts clean.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
Google for AIO leaks to see what can happen.
While unlikely, leaks do happen.

I would support an AIO cooler primarily in a space restricted case.
If one puts looks over function, that is a personal thing; not for me though.
-----------------------end of rant--------------------------

Your pc will be quieter, more reliable, and will be cooled equally well with a decent air cooler.

 

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To answer everyones questions


I am planning to get the h100i v2, I cannot afford any custom cooling pipes and that. In the back I have some random 80mm I had, and my top fan is a corsair fan. My old cooler was an UpHere All-in-one, I cheaped out on my cooler and got crappy temps. The case is nice, and I rather not get rid of it, I can fit a 240mm in the front just about perfectly but it requires some cutting of the optic drive bays because I don't believe I can take the bays themselves out. The max I can fit is a 240mm (length wide) and only 120mm width wise because of the stuff in the case. My case wont be too ventilated, it will have 2 120mm pulling air in, pushing it into the case through 2 more fans so push pull system, but only a 120mm on the top pushing it out and the 80mm in the back. I will most likely use my other corsair fan on the side (after I cut a window for the fan) to equal it out a bit. Positive pressure isn't too bad in this case it seems, I just don't want negative pressure. So yeah. I have tried many different air coolers when I was at my buddies shop, and nothing fit, the only thing that will fit is a slim and that wont cool it well enough from what I have heard. Soooooo yeah, probably gonna go with the h100i v2
 

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I run 4x fans in my Define R5, which supposedly has crappy intake restrictions because of the front door. 2x front intake (currently my 280mm AIO) and 2x exhaust at top. No rear fan. Temps don't go over 55°C no matter what I do unless I stress test. My other case has the single 140mm intake and 2x 120mm exhaust, one of which is the 120mm AIO.

Don't bother cutting up your case, you don't need to. A 240mm intake and a 120/80mm exhaust is plenty, it's actually slightly positive if anything, which is a good thing. You are fine for airflow.
 
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