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jaime arvi · Feb 9, 2018

hi guys, I just want to ask because i build an cheap pc gaming if this build was at least a decent one

mobo: A320M-s2h gigabyte
proc: a 7th gen AMD A10 9700
APU cooler. Deepcool captain 120 ex
RAM: unbuffered 4gb kingmax ( not planning to overclock) planning to add another 4gb RAM
SSD: 1TB WD blue
GPU: plaaning to get a msi gtx 1050ti 2gb or 4gb OC version\
PSU: huntkey gp550

is it a bottleneck for my processor. and i saw some review that huntkey PSU is untrustworthy product, a bit scared might as well damage my other components for low quality PSU, not so sure.

thanks guys.

jacobweaver800 · Feb 9, 2018

jaime arvi :

Well an A10 can handle some light gaming but don't expect much until you get a dedicated card. As for the PSU get a good one from Corsair, EVGA, Cooler Master, or other good trusted brands, never trust an off brand PSU if it fails it can take everything in your system down with it as well as your house, its not something to skimp on its major business.

jacobweaver800 · Feb 9, 2018

Also you shouldn't have any bottle necks at all with a 1050 or 1050 ti, but if you move up to a 1060 3gb you will see a very small bottleneck probably barely noticeable.

panathas · Feb 9, 2018

If you don't have high hopes, yes it seems decent but you may find instances where the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU. It won't be too big but you'll notice it. But it also depends on the resolution that you are gaming. A better fit in your case would be the GTX 1050 not the ti one. What's your monitor's resolution?

Finally that PSU isn't a good choice. The good thing is that your system isn't too power hungry and it won't need more than 200W. Stressing that specific PSU may indeed be dangerous. You can keep it for now if you can't afford a new one. but you'll need to get a new one in a year or 2 since this PSU should age pretty quickly. Good luck.

jacobweaver800 · Feb 9, 2018

panathas :

A 1050 ti should be fine according to the Bottleneck calculator, it will be a bottle neck by 1 or 2% it will not even be noticeable.

A_W_O_L__ · Feb 9, 2018

Hi, I'm no expert but I study up on pc builds so don't take what i'm saying as all fact, the apu looks to be decent. one thing I would do is get the ram sooner than later if you plan to game for a while without a official "GPU" as since there is no on board gpu memory the apu will borrow that from you'r ram if i remember correctly also it looks as though that is a am4 chip, I would have to research a little but i do believe the new ryzen cpu's are am4 also. i was just thinking that after you do buy a gpu the 6 gpu cores in your apu will no longer be getting used so it might be a good time to upgrade that also, but it wouldn't break anything the leave it as it stands. also if your afraid of bottlenecks you can go to http://thebottlenecker.com/ you can punch in your parts and it will tell you if you have any major bottlenecks,

jacobweaver800 · Feb 9, 2018

A_W_O_L__ :

I did that test already and on a 1060 3gb he gets a slight bottleneck but not much of one. I'm just putting this out there but since your running an APU if you buy an AMD card you can run it in Crossfire with your APU for better preformence

panathas · Feb 9, 2018

jacobweaver800 :

All those online bottleneck calculators aren't accurate at all. They don't take into account various factors. They just compare various benchmarks and they never take into account the minimum frame rates which are way more important than the maximum ones. So you should look at them but only with a grain of salt. Finally his specific CPU model is in reality a dual core one and he will experience a lot more bottlenecking in newer multithreaded games.

lakimens · Feb 9, 2018

jaime arvi :

Please don't get a HUNTKEY JUNK PSU, I'd rather not have a GPU than have a HUNTKEY..
I have that, because I absolutely had to have something in here and I found that on hand. It's some model Huntkey.
One thing I can tell you about my PC is that it can't stay in sleep, probably the PSU at fault.

Other than that, get the 4GB version, it helps in most games.
I'd recommend you get a Ryzen, since you're getting a GPU, you won't need an integrated one.

jacobweaver800 · Feb 9, 2018

panathas :

jacobweaver800 :

All those online bottleneck calculators aren't accurate at all. They don't take into account various factors. they just compare various benchmarks and they never take into account the minimum frame rates which are way more important than the maximum ones. So you should look at them but only with a grain of salt. His specific CPU model is in reality a dual core one and he will experience a lot more bottlenecking in newer multithreaded games.

A dual core??? Where did you get your info from? Its a quad core.

panathas · Feb 9, 2018

jacobweaver800 :

Yes, it's an APU based on the old bulldozer architecture, although it has some steamroller performance enhancements.
It has 2 bulldozer modules and each one has 2 integer units and 1 FPU unit, but even those 2 integer cores are sharing resources. So it is a 4-core model only on paper and in reality its performance is closer to a dual core model than a 4-core one, especially if the software you are using has a lot of FPU calculations (it only has 2 FPU units/cores after all) and most games are like that. In cases where the 2 cores don't get overwhelmed with calculations then it may get close to 4-core model but those instances are really rare.

jacobweaver800 · Feb 9, 2018

panathas :

jacobweaver800 :

Yes, it's an APU based on the old bulldozer architecture, although it has some steamroller performance enhancements.
It has 2 bulldozer modules and each one has 2 integer units and 1 FPU unit, but even those 2 integer cores are sharing resources. So it is a 4-core model only on paper and in reality it performs more like dual core model especially if the software you are using needs FPU calculations (it only has 2 FPU units/cores after all) and most games are like that. In cases where the 2 cores don't get overwhelmed with calculations then it may get close to 4-core model but those instances are really rare.

Just because 2 cores are sharing the same resources doesn't mean its automatically deamed a dual core, it still has 4 physical cores, they just have less cache per core thats all, which doesn't mean that can't be made up in other areas like having more cache per module than other chips.

panathas · Feb 9, 2018

jacobweaver800 :

My friend, I'm afraid you are wrong. It's like calling an old Intel core i3 CPU (before coffee lake) a quad core one. It's simply a dual core model with hyper-threading that can process 4 threads at a time. It's not a true 4-core model. The same thing is happening with the bulldozer architecture. Each bulldozer module isn't a true dual core one but it can process 2 threads simultaneously.

In our case, the AMD A10 9700 in order to be a true quad core CPU it needs to have 4 independent cores and each core should have 1 integer unit and 1 FPU unit. That means 4 independent integer units and 4 independent FPU units. However the A10 only has 4 integer units (not independent since 2 of them share resources) and more importantly only 2 FPU units. A true 4-core CPU should have 4 FPU units and that's the most important CPU part during gaming.

It's a fact that the A10 can't perform like a true 4-core CPU because it's not a true 4-core CPU since it doesn't really have 4 physical cores. It only has 4 virtual cores which isn't the same thing.

jaime arvi · Feb 10, 2018

panathas :

my monitor is 18.5 inches, thats maybe 1366x768, yup i would probably get another PSU. as of now i'll just use these until i get a new one.

Finstar · Feb 10, 2018

panathas :

jacobweaver800 :

My friend, I'm afraid you are wrong. It's like calling an old Intel core i3 CPU (before coffee lake) a quad core one. It's simply a dual core model with hyper-threading that can process 4 threads at a time. It's not a true 4-core model. The same thing is happening with the bulldozer architecture. Each bulldozer module isn't a true dual core one but it can process 2 threads simultaneously.

In our case, the AMD A10 9700 in order to be a true quad core CPU it needs to have 4 independent cores and each core should have 1 integer unit and 1 FPU unit. That means 4 independent integer units and 4 independent FPU units. However the A10 only has 4 integer units (not independent since 2 of them share resources) and more importantly only 2 FPU units. A true 4-core CPU should have 4 FPU units and that's the most important CPU part during gaming.

It's a fact that the A10 can't perform like a true 4-core CPU because it's not a true 4-core CPU since it doesn't really have 4 physical cores. It only has 4 virtual cores which isn't the same thing.

It's a true quadcore, it has 2 modules with 2 cores each so yes, it IS a true 4 core.

Finstar · Feb 10, 2018

Get the upcoming Ryzen 5 2400g (no cooler needed) with a b350 mobo, better psu and 8 gb of fast ram.
No gpu needed either, the Vega 11 is plenty for now.

jaime arvi · Feb 10, 2018

Finstar :

i would love to, but its like around $200 here in our country. that's too much for me at this moment, I still have my monthly installment for my bike. but that set up seems like very tempting, set up without GPU, that's awesome.

jaime arvi · Feb 10, 2018

and guys, i cant overclock my APU right? or I need a mobo that OC supported?

Finstar · Feb 10, 2018

Yes, you can overclock it. You'll need a b350 or x370 motherboard to overclock it, the cheapest b350 boards are around $60.

jacobweaver800 · Feb 10, 2018

Finstar :

Although for overclocking your going to want a good board not one for $60 if you plan to do more than a small overclock.

Phaaze88 · Feb 10, 2018

Just curious, but does no one here really NOT have a problem with the OP pairing an apu with a dedicated gpu?

jacobweaver800 · Feb 10, 2018

Phaaze88 :

I have no problem with it, as long has he doesn't use a card more powerful than a 1060 3gb, with which he will have a very small bottleneck. a 1050 or 1050ti should be a great match for that CPU.

Finstar · Feb 10, 2018

Phaaze88 :

If op buys the 2400g i recommended, he won't need a discrete gpu for quite a while.

lakimens · Feb 10, 2018

jacobweaver800 :

I actually said that he should buy a Ryzen, but because people commented so fast, I guess he didn't read it.
I also said that that power supply is as stable as Uranium.. -This is important.

panathas · Feb 10, 2018

Yes, I agree with the 2400g suggestion but in order to do it he would need a completely new system. New motherboard (if he wants to overclock), APU, RAM, and he needs good fast RAM for the APU which is pretty expensive right now. He also needs another PSU. Finally the 2400g's graphics performance is more like a GTX 1030 not a 1050/1050ti. So in reality he will be spending more money to get less performance in games. The only times he may getting better performance is in CPU bound games where he may be experiencing heavy bottlenecking with his current configuration. On the other hand he is gaming at 720p where CPU bottlenecking is more severe so he may be getting better performance after all.

Overall the 2400g APU is miles ahead the A10 but in order to get there he needs to build a new system spending more money than he currently affords.

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