Troubleshooting HP HDX 18T with Random Power Shutdowns - Deteriorating NVIDIA Graphics Card or Power Module?

jhughey

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PROBLEM SOLVED BY ADJUSTING NVIDIA CONTROL SETTING -- SEE MY OTHER POST BELOW

I have a HP HDX X18T-1200 CTO Laptop purchased new in 2008 directly from HP. It has a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9100 CPU @ 2.26 GHz processor, 8 GB RAM, 64-Bit Windows 7, and a NVIDIA GEForce GT 130M GPU with 1 GB storage.

PROBLEM: Persistent and random power shutoffs, which happens while the laptop is plugged in. I suspect a deteriorating GPU or power supply, but I am not sure which should be first to troubleshoot and replace. Here are my observations:

O/S Issues seem to be ruled out. This laptop has separate, bootable O/S’s on its two disks, one a SSD and the other a HD, either of which can be booted and used as a W7 O/S C: with the other as simple D: drive. With EITHER O/S booted, the problem happens. Both O/S’s are current with Windows 7 updates.

Problem happens independent of external power sources, including plug-ins at other homes. Replacing the AC/DC converter and Battery with their verified backups does not fix the problem, either. I keep the unit well ventilated on an open-air mount, in a HEPA filtered dust-free room, and regularly vacuum the cooling air entrance ports.

There seem to be no temperature issues reported in the Windows Event monitor, other than an “Unexpected Power Shutdown”. Immediately after a power shutdown, I used Open Hardware Monitor to determine the temperature of the quad CPUs (55-65 deg C), the NVIDIA GPU (55-62 deg C), and the SSD & HD (30 deg C). The monitor also indicates plenty of the 8 GB RAM and 1 GB GPU storage is also still available.

It frequently happens when my Startup window ‘flashes’ from selecting a User to displaying that user’s Desktop, or flashes when the laptop’s lid is closed to switch to my 25-inch HP 2509 monitor. It also happens while I am using either Firefox or IE browsers, especially if I use certain graphics-intensive YouTube videos. However, Paint and Word are also victimized without a browser being activated.

If I restarted the laptop and leave it alone, it used to stay running overnight, but now it is getting worse. Recently, I discovered the problem does NOT happen while I am in Windows Safe Mode. Moreover, the problem does NOT happen if I disable the NVIDIA GPU’s device drivers using the Device Manager. As a result, I suspect the NVIDIA GPU is deteriorating.

Alternatively, a power supply problem might be indicated. The battery system stopped working nearly a year before the power shutdown problem. I have changed batteries, chargers, and dissected the whole system to change the internal power connector. Despite these, the system will only run on wall socket power. Moreover, the battery will not charge. I mention this is to speculate the possibility of the NVIDIA GPU exceeding the power demand on a deteriorating power supply.

On this forum, I have seen other similar problems reported with other systems, but no clear resolutions that I understand. I have tried posting on Windows and HP forums, but without any feedback. HP’s manuals do not discuss replacing graphics cards or power modules.

I really want to keep this system, because its big 18-inch screen is very helpful when I am tutoring my students. Alternatively, it might be simpler to swap my W7 disks into a refurbished system. So, comments and suggestions for remedies would be profusely appreciated!

Thanks!

Joe
 

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I had that exact laptop a long time ago(ended up exchanging it for a Sony w/ a 18.4" screen). If I recall correctly, some of those HP HDX had GPU issues and there was a recall(HP would change out the motherboard for you). That recall has long passed... but from the sounds of it, that could be what's going on. The internal "jack"(where the power supply plugs into) I believe is directly soldered onto the motherboard, so it's not a separate piece that can easily be replaced(unless soldering is easy for you).

I remember around that time, Alienware(Dell) had a 19" laptop. You might luck out and find one of those now cheap.

They do still make laptops with 18.4" screens. My current MSI laptop is like that.
 

jhughey

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Toshibitsu, thank you for taking the time to read all this and respond!

I wish I had been aware of that motherboard recall back then, because this system cost me nearly $3K. A few months back, I did change the power-supply jack (aka power connector cable) after disassembling 12 layers of other hardware first; however, it did not fix the battery charging & battery standalone problem. Having an irrational preference for HP, and not being a gamer, I had not considered that that other laptops such as these would have comparably large screens. Just curious ... would you recommend the MSI, Sony, or Dell? Windows 7 or 10?

Again, thank you for your kind answer!
 

jhughey

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I found THE solution on forums.geforce.com

Open Windows Control Panel --> NVIDIA Control Panel --> 3D Settings --> Manage 3D Settings --> Global Settings Tab --> Multi-Display/Mixed GPU Acceleration

CHANGE this setting FROM
Multiple Display Performance Mode
TO
Compatibility Performance Mode

TEST I am not a gamer, but I do enjoy music videos. I opened a YouTube video with time-lapsed graphics to display on my 25-inch HP 2509 screen. This would immediately crash the system into power-off every time I opened it. The same would happen with the laptop as well.

This time I opened the video and it ran indefinitely (hours) without a problem. Next I opened four browsers, simultaneously running the same video, and all ran without any shutdown. While they were playing I opened and shut my laptop to test the blinking crash … no problem! Both laptop and 25-inch screen can play the video displays simultaneously. CPU Cores are 54-56 deg C, while the GPU core is 65-66 deg C.

Obviously, my multiple-display 3D rendering is kaput as far as this system is concerned, but it will not be missed for my purposes.

Hope this will help others with similar problems on their graphics systems.

Best wishes,

Joe
 

jhughey

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Unfortunately, I spoke too soon. The problem diminished when I did the above, then it came back, with increasing frequency, characteristic of further deterioration, laptop or external monitor. If I am in W7 Safe Mode, there are no shutdowns, but no graphics, with only the laptop screen available.

If I find a solution, I shall post it.