A8 or Ryzen?

SetoKaiba2 · Feb 19, 2018

Just a quick question, is it worth upgrading from AMD A8-9600 to the Ryzen3 1200? Or is it worth the wait to save up and get a 1300X?
Also, it is mostly used to play Ark Survival.

12gig ram
Gtx750Ti.

YoAndy · Feb 19, 2018

Ryzen 1200 will be twice as fast with higher IPC, single and multi core performance so of course is worth upgrading... And the 1300X is a bit better than 1200.
http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-3-1200-vs-amd-a8-9600

delaro · Feb 19, 2018

Update your motherboard and grab the 2000G for $99, it's cheaper than the 1300x and just as fast.

simon12 · Feb 19, 2018

Note you need new DDR4 Ram as well.

delaro · Feb 19, 2018

■ That A8 is on AM4 he just needs to do a Bios update to run a 2200g which is slightly faster stock and cheaper than a 1300x. If he takes the igpu overclock to 1500 it will also be slightly faster than the 750 ti.

dontlistentome · Feb 19, 2018

For Ark you need all the speed you can get, so yes you should upgrade the CPU. Considering the price, and considering the level of upgrade you're looking at(1300x), I'd get the 2200g even though it's an APU. It's too good a price/performance deal to ignore. If you're playing Ark, at some point you will want a better videocard than a 750 Ti or APU graphics, but that's an issue for another time.

jr9 · Feb 19, 2018

Ark on an APU sounds awful, even Raven Bridge. I would get a better graphics card first, and then move up to a better CPU second ASAP. Ryzen 3 1300x is a fine place to start. Even with a better CPU you will still get bad performance with the 750Ti.

ohiou_grad_2006 · Feb 19, 2018

Ryzen in any form will slaughter the a8.

SetoKaiba2 · Feb 19, 2018

Thanx everyone so much for your input! I'm not sure what the 2200g is but I wil look into it. And yes the gpu will be upgraded to a 1050ti. I just needed to know which cpu to upgrade to with the gpu as I am changing both.

ohiou_grad_2006 · Feb 19, 2018

If you are changing the graphics card right now, I would go with the 1200 or the 1300x, but you can overclock the 1200.

delaro · Feb 20, 2018

SetoKaiba2 :

Little comparison

Ryzen 3 1200 4C/4T 3.1 GHz (3.4 GHz Turbo) Currently $104
Ryzen 3 1300X 4C/4T 3.5 GHz (3.7 GHz Turbo) $124
Ryzen 3 2200G 4C/4T 3.5 GHz (3.7 GHz Turbo) $99

Being that the 2200G is a refresh it's slightly faster than the 1300X, just a few FPS more out of a similar chip with a IGPU sitting between a 1030 and 1050. Hope that makes a little sense with just the price there is not reason to consider a 1200 or 1300x as long as the 2200G sits at $99.

ARK Survival any of these CPU/APU's will work out fine but for a GPU paying $200+ for a 1050ti is a kick in the teeth, check the used market and for the same price you can find a 970 GTX's which is nearly as fast as a 1060 GTX.

ohiou_grad_2006 · Feb 20, 2018

As someone recently in the situation... Right now a GTX 970 will run about 250 used. A 1060 3gb is about 275 used. These are eBay prices btw. I know because I sold my RX 480 8gb and made some cash off the mining craze. I bought new 1050ti for 209 to tide me over until the end of the year. Unfortunately the 1050ti should only be around 140-150, and I basically got a steal considering the current market at 209.

The other thing I found is that there are some sellers out there trying to flash old cards and selling them as newer ones. Some things I saw on YouTube etc and saw some listings even like on eBay like this, where they're flash like a gts 450 or a 550ti and try to sell it as a GTX 960 4gb for example.

Also, since miners have been buying up every card in sight, I decided I'd rather have a new card. You don't necessarily know how the cards have been treated, if they've been mined half to death, etc. Safer bet is let the market die down a bit. I. Know I recommended a 4gb card, but if you are on a tight budget, you are probably still better off with 2gb 1050 or 2gb 560. At least then you have a warranty. If you went that route though, I would say do it only with having a plan to upgrade as the market levels out.

jr9 · Feb 20, 2018

I don't think you've ever tried playing ARK on integrated graphics or a low end graphics card which the Ryzen 2 2200G is as good as. It's bad as in under 30 FPS bad. Getting over 60 FPS in ARK is hard even with a graphics card that is several times more powerful than a 1050 or Raven Bridge. I don't think buying an APU makes sense if you aren't going to use the APU as your GPU. Ryzen refresh might be good. Either wait for the new Ryzen lineup or get a cheaper current one and a better graphics card. You need both.

ohiou_grad_2006 · Feb 20, 2018

The 560 or 1050/1050ti are better than the apu. I think they said the apus are basically as about as good as an RX 550. So a 560 or 1050ti would be a step up. You can certainly go to a used GPU, I would just be very careful. That's why I personally opted for a new card.

simon12 · Feb 20, 2018

delaro :

Sorry my mistake

delaro · Feb 20, 2018

ohiou_grad_2006 :

Buying "anything" used always comes with a risk but if you know how and where to look and buy though some for of protection that risk is much lower. I picked up a 970 SC GAMING ACX 2.0 which still has 1 year left on the warranty for $190 "Not Ebay" vs paying $219+ for a much weaker 1050 TI with a 1 year warranty provided you can find one in stock. 1050 ti's still sell stupidly fast so good luck finding stock under $250. 1060 3gb should start dropping in price in the next few months, Etherium increased the size of the DAG file above 3gb so that means you will only be able to mine efficiently on a 4gb+ GPUs.

You do know he has a 750ti right? A RX 550,and 1030 GT are not upgrades and a RX 560, 1050 GT only offer a slight improvement for $50+ increase over a MSRP. A 1050 TI was well worth $159 but not above $229 since your not going to find them easily in stock for below $229.

Think about it.. $190+ for a used 970 with 1+ years left on the warranty or a 1050 ti with 1 year warranty for $229+ o.0 The some people flash thing I have never seen but Ebay and Paypal allow you a certain amount of buyer protection so as long as your not stupid and just hit "Buy" you should be okay. From my experience with Forum purchases and even Hardware swap people are pretty open about what they did with there hardware, lying means getting banned and losing that method of selling but I guess you will come across a douchbag every once in awhile.

A 2200g is a 1300X with a GPU so paying more for the same chip is ??????? $99 vs $124 or $104 for the 1200, they all perform pretty much the same a.

ohiou_grad_2006 · Feb 20, 2018

You have some points. I'm just saying for me personally, that's why I went new. I have bought used cards before with no issues, with the current market of miners there may be more risk than normal. I'm just saying if someone was mining with their cards, you don't really know how hard those cards were run. They may work fine, but they may be like buying a car with 200,000 miles. You do assume a level of risk.

But as you noted, the 1050 ti is getting crazy expensive now. I was fortunate to find one for 209. Now the same one on newegg from a 3rd party seller is over 300. As far as a gaming card, I agree with you, in my mind really the baseline should be at least a GTX 1050 2gb or RX 560 2gb. Really though, those should only be viewed as temporary, and the 4gb 560 or GTX 1050ti in my mind is the bare minimum I would want.

One tip for someone buying used as well, you if they post a GPU Z, you can many times look up the processor/memory speed on google and it will tell you the card that should correspond with.

As far as CPU, I'm not disputing the 2200g is a fine choice. I'm an AMD guy myself and run an R5 1600 overclocked at 3.7ghz. The reason I say the 1200 or 1300x might be preferable is that I thought I read somewhere that AMD dedicated 8 PCI express lanes to the built in GPU, and 8 lanes to the PCI express port. From what I read on that, you should not really have a problem unless you go above like a GTX 1060 for example. So if he wants to upgrade later, that is a possible limiting factor.

I think my thought was that he could use the GTX 750ti for now even. Compared to the integrated graphics, I would think that the 750ti would do better than integrated until he can get a better card later.

delaro · Feb 20, 2018

Disable the IGPU problem solved. Gaming terms there is little to no difference in FPS with a card running x4,X8 or X16 on 1080p if you were running 4K then you might need it but at this budget range that isn't a option.

It is quite easy to find 970's and other cards that are still in warranty all you need to do is know the communities and ask the right questions. It also means getting in t he habit of checking several times a day as the go really fast and keeping money sitting in Paypal to wait for the right deal.

examples

EVGA 970 GTX SC+ 3 year warranty 16 months left $225+ shipping "they go here for $175 to $250" SOLD
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/7ysgmx/usacah_970_gtc_sc_w_local_cash_paypal/

Sapphire RX-480 Nitro+ 8gb: $145.00 Shipped. SOLD
EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0: $100.00 Shipped . SOLD
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gpus-for-gamers-only-sold.241646/

ohiou_grad_2006 · Feb 20, 2018

Aha, I've not dealt at all on reddit. I usually get on ebay.

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