ASAP please :) Good Enough To Stream , Record, & Game at the same time on my system? i7 8700K and 1070ti

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Hello Everyone.. first of all i have no diea if im at the tread,

im planing on getting a new rig. but idk if it good enough for both streaming and gaming for Tiwtch. im thinking about streaming @ 1080p@60fps...

but have no idea if the system i order is good..

or do i need to cancel this order..

CPU: 8700K
GRAFIK CARD: ASUS 1070ti 8GB
RAM: 16GB @3000mhz
PSU: XFX 550 PSU
MOBO: Z370 ASUS GAMING PLUS


will this work for me. or do i need something better like a 1080 or ti. and a better PSU??

thanks for the help! hope you guys can help me out.

what does it recommed for streaming 1080p@60 with twitch.?
 
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1) first, there are two different ways to ENCODE the video capture.
a) CPU encoding (i.e. FRAPS or similar) for best quality, and your CPU is more than adequate for that + gaming... but GPU encoding does a great job and frankly CPU encoding is pointless anyway as any SMALL DIFFERENCE is destroyed when viewing the altered video online anyway (compression, or window too small etc)

b) GPU encoding (NVidia Geforce Experience) simply uses a specialized hardware on the card so there's minimal to no affect on FPS. The video output is just sampled then encoded, then routed out the internet connection if streamed.

2) Secondly, your ISP UPLOAD bandwidth is a limit you need to find out. It will determine what your maximum STREAM to the internet...
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Is that the TS model PSU? That's a pretty good PSU and the card only asks for a 500W PSU meaning you have plenty of OC or room to upgrade. The 1080 Ti needs a 600W quality PSU or better. The 650W Seasonic Focus will work for that.

That rig will easily handle that streaming goal. It'll also handle recording and editing without issue.

Is there a SSD in there? It's strongly recommended for streaming or editing.

 
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1) first, there are two different ways to ENCODE the video capture.
a) CPU encoding (i.e. FRAPS or similar) for best quality, and your CPU is more than adequate for that + gaming... but GPU encoding does a great job and frankly CPU encoding is pointless anyway as any SMALL DIFFERENCE is destroyed when viewing the altered video online anyway (compression, or window too small etc)

b) GPU encoding (NVidia Geforce Experience) simply uses a specialized hardware on the card so there's minimal to no affect on FPS. The video output is just sampled then encoded, then routed out the internet connection if streamed.

2) Secondly, your ISP UPLOAD bandwidth is a limit you need to find out. It will determine what your maximum STREAM to the internet will be. You may for example, need to stream at 720p, MID, 30FPS (bitrate and other settings in Geforce Experience or other utility you may use instead).

3) Graphics Card?
That's totally about GAME PERFORMANCE and little else.

4) Graphics cards are severely overpriced right now. If possible I'd WAIT. Possibly build the current system sans dGPU then used the Intel iGPU or buy a cheap used card with the hopes that prices return to normal in the next few months when cryptomining drops in profitability.

GTX1080's start at $800USD for example. They were $500+ before.

Heck, prices for USED cards should at some point be very cheap when people start selling crypto cards.

5) SSD - useful for editing in some cases though I don't think it benefits streaming in any way. Also, real-time streaming I'd guess (but haven't confirmed) would not sit on the storage drive but rather be packaged and sent out directly.

6) GTX1080Ti - I was going to say "no way" due to prices but a GTX1080 starts at $800USD yet I found a great GTX1080Ti for "just" $925USD?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487338&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

I'd still wait though.

7) GTX1070Ti
- my big beef with this model is that NVidia forced a hardware limit on the frequency to keep it between a GTX1070 and GTX1080. You can easily get around this with overclocking SOFTWARE but that software must always run... if you reinstall Windows or move the card to a different system then you need to remember to reinstall the software and redo the overclock

With normal cards like a GTX1080 the overclock is applied to the onboard firmware so it remembers it.

SUMMARY:
I guess the main points are:
a) investigate ISP upload cap, then experiment with that and encoding bitrate (don't confuse Bits and Bytes. 1B (byte) = 8b (eight bits))
b) wait on graphics card?
c) encoding is irrelevant as the CPU is sufficient for software encoding and the GPU handles it just fine (NVENC hardware encoder)
 
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Power consumption.
I don't believe you are likely to ever go above 300W when gaming with the above setup, and 100% CPU usage usually happens without the graphics card (i.e. video encoding with Handbrake) though even worst-case should be well under 400W (unless CPU overclock/voltage causes big thermal load jump). I personally aim for about 50% load (i.e. 600W+) mainly to minimize fan noise (I ended up with the 750W as I use ECO MODE that disables the fan below 50% load on my EVGA G2 750W).

If you've already ordered the 550W PSU then my only real concern (with the GTX1070Ti) is the overall quality of the PSU. It may be just fine.

CPU cooler:
You didn't mention this, however here's my three top choices covering $50 to $80USD->
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ztp323/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h5ultimate
and
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMjG3C/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhu14s
and
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xCL7YJ/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd15s

Case cooling, room ambient temperature and the CPU overclock will affect things. I did see a review showing the NH-D15S maintaining a 5GHz overclock on the i7-8700K.

The Cryorig H5 Ultimate probably can't maintain 5GHz though I'd think 4.6GHz (all cores) is likely depending on again other factors. Even tweaking voltage can affect temperature a lot.

I don't recommend less than the Cryorig H5 Ultimate considering the cost of the build.

The NH-D15S will also be QUIETER at the same performance level as the cheaper coolers (given the same fan profile).
 
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yea i have a SSD m.2 250 GB for the OS system. but no SSD i do got a SSHD 2 TB someplace skould i use that ?

 
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The hybrid would be a downgrade. That M.2 drive will be perfect for your streaming. The 2TB drive can be used for storage, back-up or whatever you want.
 
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here guys here can you see the parts of the build of the computer i order and better look whats in it

And also sorry i got 100mb download and 100mb upload with the network i got.

here the setup from the shop buying it from. where it already build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zRgwP3
 
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here can you see the parts it have https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zRgwP3

 
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Will you have a secondary drive for movies and other stuff that won't benefit from the M.2 drive? That Seagate? maybe?
 
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yea i was thinking about moving my HDD from my old rig. one got HDD 1TB and the otherHDD 2tb i think. and then i got the 2tb SSHD.

so i got 2 HDD to put in the new rig. then i have the 2tb SSHD and then the the new 250gb that already in the new rig
 
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Will there be an aftermarket CPU cooler installed such as the Cryorig H7 or H100i?
 
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